Students and alumni sing LSU’s praises

A new Facebook page has popped up in response to the Michigan Conference’s action. It is called La Sierra Loved Me (Testify). Its description says:

A grassroots online movement in support of the ethos of the La Sierra University community. Unfortunately, our beloved LSU has come under attack recently. This space is for you to share in a sentence or two how La Sierra educated and inspired you to make the world a better place.

This page was created by an alumnus of LSU and is not officially affiliated with La Sierra University.

(In addition, this page is solely for expressing support for LSU; it is not a page for discussion of issues. Please find another space for that. There are plenty.)

At the time of this post, 296 people had “Like[d]” the site. Currently there are close to 40 comments on the site.

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47 thoughts on “Students and alumni sing LSU’s praises

  1. These folks miss the point entirely. No one is denying that La Sierra University has done, and is doing, many good things. I too am an alumnus of the University, having taken a number of courses there for my Master’s degree in systematic theology. I know there are good teachers there, and certainly I made many good friends there.

    But that is not the issue. The issue is whether the school is tolerating and fostering the teaching of a view of natural origins which contradicts the plain Word of God, the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy, and the teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is clear from the myriads of defensive statements coming out of LSU that theistic evolution is very much a part of the educational curriculum there, and that those holding to the Biblical view of how life on earth began can expect ridicule, ostracism, and academic disfavor.

    Again I praise God for the candor, clarity, and conviction of the Michigan Conference, and pray other Conferences and denominational entities follow suit with similar declarations and actions. It is far past time for the scourge of liberal theology, after half a century of wreaking havoc within First World Adventism, to come to the inglorious end it richly deserves.

    God bless!

    Pastor Kevin Paulson




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  2. This site boasts two of the typical ways to not address a problem–avoidance and smoke-screening. Avoiding the real issue by making sure you do NOT talk about it, and making another issue–La Sierra is SO great!–the focus. Simply pure baloney!




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  3. I like much about LSU too! I just don’t like everything. In fact, there is only one particular problem that I find worth mentioning, but that one problem is a big one. It doesn’t matter how wonderful LSU is in everything else it does if it has professors that are persistently attacking one of the main Pillars of the SDA Faith – the literal creation week in this case.

    That one blemish is so major that it threatens to fracture the school from the Church – and perhaps more than just the school. That’s a very big deal and it needs to be effectively dealt with very soon.

    The Michigan Conference realizes the seriousness of this one long-standing problem and has bravely stepped up to the plate to address it as best as they know how. The rest of us should support this effort.

    Sean Pitman
    http://www.DetectingDesign.com




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  4. All this thing has done has made me go to La Sierra more and more.. before the controversy, I didn’t even know they existed.




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  5. Sounds like spin to me. LSU professors and administrators that do not believe what God has revealed about how He created the world, it seems that those are the ones who are undermining LSU, not folks who express concern about that undermining.




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  6. La Sierra has not addressed the core issue – they just want to say that they are “nice people.” That’s not the point, and I think they are missing it willfully.




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  7. Hello all,

    If we read the description from the Facebook page quoted above, it is clear that the creators (former classmates of mine at LSU) did not set the page up for the benefit of Educate Truth or the Michigan Conference or any other body critical of the school, but rather for students and alumni. This is the point that is being missed. Those who consider it as spin or avoidance of core issues are forgetting that the page is not affiliated with the University; students and alumni are not answerable for the charges leveled against the institution. Check out the page: I added my voice to the chorus of alumni singing LSU’s praises, though not as eloquently as some of my students.

    David Kendall, PhD
    Adjunct Professor of Music
    La Sierra University

    P.S. Shane, I am not certain that Adventist in High School mentioned that he was intending to study biology, but are you suggesting UCR or another institution in the surrounding area?




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  8. Dear David:

    Irrespective of who set it up, surely you can’t be telling us that this Facebook page is unrelated to the current controversy surrounding La Sierra University! None will deny, as you say, that the University itself is accountable for its response to the charges against its faithfulness to inspired counsel and the teachings of the church. But that doesn’t change the fact that students and alumni–the latter including myself–are also accountable. Nor does it change the fact that the core issues are still being sidestepped by those presuming to sing the University’s praises.

    The simple, open-and-shut reality is that deniers of our faith have no business teaching in Adventist institutions, and theistic evolution is a blatant, unequivocal denial of our Bible-based faith. No impressive volume of baptisms, mission trips, humanitarian endeavors, or otherwise beneficial aspects of University life will alter this reality. It is like a lung cancer victim insisting that the rest of his body is fine, so what’s the big deal?

    La Sierra University, and every other Adventist institution of learning, must be held up to the scrutiny of God’s written counsel, and by His grace brought back into the harmony God seeks from His end-time church.

    God bless!

    Pastor Kevin Paulson




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  9. Shane, I am not certain that Adventist in High School mentioned that he was intending to study biology, but are you suggesting UCR or another institution in the surrounding area?

    No he didn’t mention he was intending to study biology. I assumed so.

    If we read the description from the Facebook page quoted above, it is clear that the creators (former classmates of mine at LSU) did not set the page up for the benefit of Educate Truth or the Michigan Conference or any other body critical of the school, but rather for students and alumni. This is the point that is being missed.

    I think it goes without saying the creators did not set the page up for the benefit of Educate Truth or Michigan. However, they did set it up in reaction to Michigan’s action. I think others and myself are having been trying to say is that the page is irrelevant to the issue. If anything, it serves as a red herring to redirect the focus off the point of contention.

    I’m aware that the page was started by alumni. I also wouldn’t put it past LSU administration to have had a hand in its creation. I think back to PR video that they created. They were specifically looking for students who would give the spin they wanted on the biology department. They found a volunteer. Now whether they did the same thing with this Facebook page doesn’t matter to me.

    They’re intentions are clear, but it’s also clear that they’re missing the point.




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  10. I don’t plan to study biology, but I do plan to study my career choice in a environment where scientific consensus is studied, not ignored. I also would like to study in a Adventist environment, where the majority of professors affirm their belief in a all knowing God.




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  11. I do plan to study my career choice in a environment where scientific consensus is studied, not ignored.

    If LSU was merely teaching about the theory of evolution, this website wouldn’t exist. If you’re looking for a Seventh-day Adventist university that undermines the church’s position on origins and promotes an opposing world view instead as the truth, then LSU is the university you would want to attend. LSU is truly unique to many Adventist universities in its approach to biology.




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  12. I once was in a dialog with Larry Geraty about the Coffee shop at LSU. As the then president he aptly defended the Coffee shop as being a necessary and beneficial element of LSU. In following his reasoning I guess if I thought I came from a monkey or a mollusk I would need some kind of neuropsychological obtundation. LOL




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  13. They’re intentions are clear, but it’s also clear that they’re missing the point.

    It’s “their” not “they’re”.

    If LSU was merely teaching about the theory of evolution, this website wouldn’t exist. If you’re looking for a Seventh-day Adventist university that undermines the church’s position on origins and promotes an opposing world view instead as the truth,

    The church’s view on origins is that God created it, as an Adventist, I cannot agree with a mindset that labels incorrect another’s view simply because you are in disagreement with it, which seems to be the gist of this website. The creation week does not have to be taken literally, even my bible teacher concurs to that, and trust me, he’s as conservative as they come. You can believe in creation, if you want to, without being divisive.




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  14. The church’s view on origins is that God created it

    It’s actually more than that, so I’ll provide the wording below:

    God is Creator of all things, and has revealed in Scripture the authentic account of His creative activity. In six days the Lord made “the heaven and the earth” and all living things upon the earth, and rested on the seventh day of that first week. Thus He established the Sabbath as a perpetual memorial of His completed creative work. The first man and woman were made in the image of God as the crowning work of Creation, given dominion over the world, and charged with responsibility to care for it. When the world was finished it was “very good,” declaring the glory of God. (Gen. 1; 2; Ex. 20:8-11; Ps. 19:1-6; 33:6, 9; 104; Heb. 11:3.)

    Two things are evident from FB #6:

    1. God is creator of all things
    2. In six days the Lord made “the heaven and the earth” and all living things upon the earth

    I cannot agree with a mindset that labels incorrect another’s view simply because you are in disagreement with it

    I can’t either. No one is telling anyone that they’re wrong simply because they disagree with them. The Seventh-day Adventist Church consensus, since its conception, has always been that Genesis 1 is referring to days similar to ours today. This was also confirmed by God through a vision to Ellen White: “I was then carried back to the creation and was shown that the first week, in which God performed the work of creation in six days and rested on the seventh day, was just like every other week (Spiritual Gifts Vol. III, p. 90).”

    Exodus 20:8-11 makes it expectedly clear that the rationale for the seventh-day Sabbath is the because God created the heaven and earth in six days. That’s pretty clear. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that suggests the language is figurative.

    The creation week does not have to be taken literally

    This is true, however you’d be inconsistent with quite a few other core beliefs that Christians hold true to. The issue is not whether it can or cannot, the issue is what the church believes to be true. The church’s position is clear. The beliefs and teachings of the LSU biology department clearly undermine the Bible and the church’s position.




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  15. Notice that in these dicussions – the only students that get whacked by LSU SDA professors – are the students who dare to believe in creation.

    Not once have we seen anyone claim that the school placed them on probation, or is filing legal action against them – because they take an all-for-evolutionism view of the world.

    By contrast – we do see a lot of heat being put on the Creationist students.

    And so – this site is placing some attention on SDA professors that promote evolutionism from their “pulpits” and who appear to be intolerant of SDA students that believe in the Adventist doctrine on origins “instead”.

    Then the annonymous “AdventistStudent” claims that he/she has the need to not let anyone know much about them (as IF they are one of the evolutionist SDA professors getting exposed by this web site).

    I find that curious – because so far Adventist students that “believe in” evolutionism as the right answer for the doctrine on origins – have not gotten any bad-reviews from the SDA science teachers (either creationist or evolutionist science teachers). No not even one example of it so far.

    Curiouser and Curiouser 😉

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  16. @Adventist in High School:

    as an Adventist, I cannot agree with a mindset that labels incorrect another’s view simply because you are in disagreement with it

    Ok – in my previous post I suggested that AdventistStudent might be a pro-evolutionist educator teaching in one of our undergrad schools — I take that back now.

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  17. Adventist in High School says:
    The church’s view on origins is that God created it, as an Adventist, I cannot agree with a mindset that labels incorrect another’s view simply because you are in disagreement with it, which seems to be the gist of this website. The creation week does not have to be taken literally, even my bible teacher concurs to that, and trust me, he’s as conservative as they come. You can believe in creation, if you want to, without being divisive.

    As a parent, my advice to this young high school student is; “be careful what you wish for”. It seems to me from your reasoning above that you are on a very slippery slope. Please humble yourself before GOD for him to use you, because it takes faith to believe in the GOD of creation as well as the god of evolution. To me it takes a lot more faith to believe in Drawin’s theory of origins. By the way, can you also tell me if plant life evolved or not. That is, explain to me how the rose plant evolved to become a cedar tree.




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  18. @Adventist in High School:

    I don’t plan to study biology, but I do plan to study my career choice in a environment where scientific consensus is studied, not ignored. I also would like to study in a Adventist environment, where the majority of professors affirm their belief in a all knowing God.

    A belief in an all-knowing God is not part of the “scientific consensus” you know. It is the scientific consensus that such notions are no better than believing in Santa Claus or garden fairies as far as a rational understanding of the evidence is concerned. That’s right. The modern scientific consensus is essentially atheistic…

    So, in order to believe in such things like “God” you’re going to have to buck the scientific consensus at some point. Why not start with a school that actually presents the scientific consensus and then explains what’s wrong with this consensus when it comes to showing very good scientific evidence not only for the existence of a Creative Power indistinguishable from a God or a God-like power, but very good scientific evidence that supports the biblical account of Creation as well?

    Check out my website (listed below) if you are interested in such information…

    Sean Pitman, M.D.
    http://www.DetectingDesign.com




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  19. Scientific consensus is hardly the best indication of scientific truth. We need to remember that “scientific consensus” is heavily weighted by the vast majority who do their science (knowingly or not) within the worldview of Naturalism. Creationists reject all such interpretation in favor of the less popular consensus that science should be interpreted within Creationism.




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  20. Dear “Adventist in High School”:

    Could you please identify yourself?

    I am curious as to why those on this Web site who hide behind “cover” names are nearly always those who find fault with the Bible-based creationism and institutional accountability this Web site seeks to promote. Why do you persist in hiding? For all we know, you could be some graying disciple of Spectrum magazine–of which there are many–feigning youthfulness.

    If you truly believe what you are saying, you should be prepared to tell us who you are, and face the consequences if indeed there are any.

    God bless!

    Pastor Kevin Paulson




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  21. I think it is time for God fearing SDAs to take a stand and do the right thing. I feel very much offended my the Presiident of the General conferenec mamby pamby stance/postion on these vital isuues. He is making and “Appeal”?. What? Do you not think it is time that the Presdient make a ststement of demand. How about saying, effecetive(as did the Michigan Conferenec folk) such and such day any proffessor/teacher or whoever is found taeaching, precahing or any such thing in our established institutions will be dismissed from serviec immediately. My God, do you mean we are still paying these guys to teach our children hearsy- for that is what evolution essentially is. Where are the true men of God? Or are we force to see what the prophet said is so, ” these dumb dogs that would not bark.” “The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light, and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. . . . These dumb dogs, that would not bark, are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211
    I have to add these statements, ” Men and women are in the last hours of probation, and yet careless and stupid, and ministers have no power to arouse them; they are asleep themselves. Sleeping preachers preaching to a sleeping people1″- Testimonies, Vol 2 p.337 She goes on to say, ” Doubt and even disbelif of the testimoies of the Spirit of God, is leavening our churches everywhere. Satn would have it thus. Ministers who preach self instead of Christ would have it thus. -Testimoies Vol. 5, p.217
    These are very serious times brethren. What will you do????

    Bengman




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  22. Hi all,

    Under the Comment Guidelines on the bottom of this page:

    “Your real name is preferred, but we do allow monikers.”

    Adventist in High School as well as many others on either side of the debate who use monikers, first names only or initials, are well within the prescribed limits here. To question his/her intentions with innuendo and to attempt to bait him/her into revealing an identity seems to me to be an attitude dangerously close to violating another of the Comment Guidelines:

    “All comments should be civil.”

    I do realize that the standards for civil discourse at the university level at which I operate are higher than those expected of the general public. However, those of us who claim an active relationship with Christ are held to an even higher standard of civility than expected in university-level discourse. To fail to live up to this standard is to sow disappointment and disillusionment among the people of God, and is (I believe) more dangerous than any heresy.

    My name:

    David Kendall, PhD
    Adjunct Professor of Music
    La Sierra University




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  23. I see no reason why I should reveal any identity here. Is it simply so you can put my name on some sort of hit list you keep track of, Pastor Paulson?

    And wow, I’m an old Spectrum reader? Wow. Way to stereotype. For the record, no, I am a Senior in high school this school year and will be attending an Adventist academy. And why would I want to tell you who I am, so that my Science teacher can learn a few tactics from your play book and start to give me a hard time in class because of my beliefs? I really don’t understand you guys…




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  24. Also, I remember an “Conservative Adventist Student” that posted previously, it was him and “Adventist Student” that probably made me choose the pseudonym that I did.

    Why don’t you try and get him/her to tell you his/her name?




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  25. As an SDA residing in Singapore, I have met other SDAs who made me aware of this LSU issue. I’ve been following the developments and want to express my solidarity with those who stand simply on God’s Word. While we all appreciate how modern education has been able to enrich our lives, we realized that all true education is an unveiling of God’s truth in nature – not the other way around. God bless His Church 🙂




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  26. I find this an intriguing topic. While I am encouraged and excited to see our leaders standing up for truth, it saddens me, because Satan loves to create division and thus distract God’s people from our focus of saving souls. However, there will always be division as long as the wheat and tares grow together. I just pray that this issue’s coming to the forefront will stimulate our young people to study this issue out for themselves and become more firmly grounded in the truth.

    @Adventist in High School: A school you may want to consider is Weimar College. Since they’ve recently re-vamped their program, I’ve found it to be exceptional both in academic quality and in spirituality. They don’t ignore scientific consensus, but rather examine it in light of the Bible, SOP, and other scientific findings. Each professor/staff member is an Adventist in good standing who is dedicated to preparing their students to be like modern Daniels, so to speak. I could go on, but I invite you instead to just take a quick look at their website: http://www.weimar.edu. May God guide you in your choice of a college, whether it be Weimar, LSU, or elsewhere.




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  27. By the way, I’ve changed my mind. Pastor Paulson, if it really means that much to you, I will contact you if you give me information on how to do that. I will provide documentation that I am actually an Adventist in High School, however, I need your assurances that none of the specifics will ever be passed along by you to any other entity.




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  28. LSU’s argument is, in short, if we do enough good stuff it’s Ok if we let our professors attack Pillars of the SDA Faith…

    I believe that’s called salvation by works, righteousness by works, and legalism. Excusing our disobedience and rebellion by touting our good works is simply wrong.




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  29. On a spiritual note, we as Seventh-day Adventists have been living in the drought of Laodicea for many years. We have been satisfied. But now as we see the world around us, we can sense that Jesus is coming soon and we long to get back to the root of that message of hope.

    Could it be that the schism that is developing from this will drive students of God’s word back to the Bible and prepare them for the latter rain?

    Those who have taken this stand for God are the forerunners – crying out the Three Angels’ messages with truth and power. “Worship Him who made heaven and earth!” That is really the core message of what EducateTruth.com is all about.

    It is feeding water to the Riverside desert – giving life to a new generation who will stand up for God. I believe with all my heart that God’s patience is running out for those who will create a new “god” in their own view. God is calling on those whose hearts are being touched by this controversy to draw closer to Him and to prepare themselves and their families for the trials of the end days.

    Unfortunately, I am afraid that this is just the beginning of the sorrows that will culminate in the Time of Trouble. We are going to see brother turn against brother, and even though words will be the weapons used, the effects are going to be drastic.

    But we worship a God who is all-powerful. He created the world in one literal week through the power of His word. He will use that power to resurrect the dead and to build a new earth. There is no limit to Him.

    He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.” Revelation 14:7

    This is the object of our worship – not some being made in the image of man. God is God, and we are not. Let us worship Him together for His power, His mercy, and His love!




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  30. @TC Tan:

    As an SDA residing in Singapore, I have met other SDAs who made me aware of this LSU issue. I’ve been following the developments and want to express my solidarity with those who stand simply on God’s Word. While we all appreciate how modern education has been able to enrich our lives, we realized that all true education is an unveiling of God’s truth in nature – not the other way around. God bless His Church   (Quote)

    This raises another point worth mentioning. From the discussion on the web site it sometimes “appears” that when you walk into a church in North America you find an evenly split group of creationists vs evolutionists.

    But that is not the case by far!! In fact the vast majority of Adventist congregations in North America would be shocked to find that even ONE of our universities is preaching evolutionism as if it were true. You would be hard pressed to find the tiny minority of them that actually think evolution might actually be a good idea!

    No doubt – LSU is the flag ship of that majority-wanna-be group and LSU is not the only place you will find an evolutionist or two, but they have a long way to go before they win the hearts and minds of Seventh-day Adventists even in North America – let alone the world church.

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  31. I graduated from La Sierra College in 1959 when they had a president who would have stood for truth though the heavens fall. That was Norval Pease. The rest of my professors were more than “professors” . . . they lived the pillars of our faith and didn’t wander down the ‘road to Rome’.




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  32. its a bit depressing huh. without anyone having to put forth much real effort 300 ppl are willing to step forward with their positive lsu experiences within a couple of weeks. this compared to months of bombardment and pleas for testimonies from this site which have produced what? 2 or 3 real life student stories? and they dont even have to monitor 🙂




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  33. I have to say, I’ve been reading these threads and the ones on Spectrum over and over for the past few days trying to get my head around what’s going on. I can’t help but tremble for the church – I feel as if the university wants to destroy Adventism from its core and reduce all of Christianity to a heap of rubbish.

    There is lots of appeal to charity or “science” but very little to the reality of the truth as it is found in Jesus Christ. Where is the cross in what we see coming out of LSU’s current and former president? Where is the cross in the inaction of the Pacific Union?

    Where is the cross of Christ being lifted high at La Sierra? Thirteen baptisms out of 1,800+ students is okay, but what are they being baptized into? What is the message? Will LSU train future leaders of our church? If so, where are we going? What about our other universities – are they on a similar track?

    It is time for the people of God to stand up and be counted. If we can’t do it now – when will we?




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  34. Dear “Adventist in High School”:

    I received a copy of an e-mail sent to you by Shane Hilde, inviting you to contact me at my private e-mail address. Please understand that you are welcome to do so. And that applies to anyone else who might wish to dialogue with me regarding these issues in a more direct way.

    I fully agree with the need for civility in this conversation, but I remain deeply troubled by the idea of people hiding behind “cover” names in a discussion such as this. And it remains a fact that, with a couple exceptions, those who are doing this in the present conversation are those seeking to defend, or at least excuse to some degree, the teaching of evolution on Adventist campuses.

    Decades of departure from doctrinal and lifestyle integrity within the church, much of it cloaked in the garb of “grace,” “righteousness by faith,” and “Christ-centered preaching”–all of which I believe in, but which must be defined by God’s Word, not by scholars or human experience–has brought us to the present crisis in Adventist education. When I was in school a quarter-century ago, it was righteousness by faith, Ellen White, and the sanctuary doctrine that were being debated. Those are issues unique to our faith identity as a people, and they are still supremely important. But now, due to the erosion of confidence in the core of Adventism, we find ourselves debating issues on which nearly all Bible-believing Christians agree–such as evolution and homosexuality.

    Do we really think this is “progress”? If so, progress in what direction? On the narrow road leading to life, or the broad road leading to destruction (see Matt. 7:13-14). I find it interesting that Ellen White says, regarding the broad road identified by Jesus:

    “On the road to death the whole race may go, with all their worldliness, all their selfishness, all their pride, dishonesty, and moral debasement. There is room for every man’s opinions and doctrines, space to follow his inclinations, to do whatever his self-love may dictate” (MB 138).

    Notice, according to God’s servant, where what we today would call doctrinal “pluralism” is to be found in God’s scheme of things. Not on the narrow road leading to heaven, but on the broad road leading to hell.

    I urge all to read 5T 672. Ellen White maps out in this statement exactly how people are led by Satan to question the Testimonies, the pillars of our faith, then the Scriptures themselves, and at last “the downward march to perdition.”

    The internalizing of God’s truth within our hearts has always been a salvation issue (see Hosea 4:6; Matt. 4:4; John 8:31; II Thess. 2:13; I Tim. 4:16). It is imperative, especially as the events of the last days draw near, that our stand on the Word of God be complete and uncompromising.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    God bless!

    Pastor Kevin Paulson




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  35. I do sincerely applaud and commend Shane Hide for bringing this issue to the forefront. My prayers go up for you. The teaching of evolution and the discrediting of God’s word at La Sierra is but the tip of the iceberg of the Omega Apostasy as predicted by God’s messenger to His remnant church. His admonition to us through her is to meet it head on.
    Thanks Shane for doing God’s will.
    To the president and former president of La Sierra, the president of the GC and all the other leaders who seem to be leading God’s people into apostasy rather than to God’s kingdom, I pray that they would turn around before it is everlastingly too late. It is amazing how the defenders and supporters of this abomination in God’s church are quick to point out a lack of the love of God in those who choose to stand for the right. I ask, ‘where is their love of God in openly and boldly going against His commandments’? May I remind them of the Savior’s words, ‘If ye love me, keep my commandments’ (John 14:15)
    To teach and promote evolution is a blatant denial of God’s seventh-day Sabbath. When the Sabbath goes, so does everything else we believe as a people. If there is no Sabbath, then there is no sin, if there is no sin then we have no need for a Savior. There is no concept of sin in evolution. Since we evolve from grime to slime to monkeys then we have no moral absolutes that come from a loving God who created us and gave us the Sabbath-day as a sign between Him and us who created us. One cannot believe in evolution and at the same time claim to be a Christian. A Christian lives by faith rather than by science-so-called and men’s intellectual philosophies that are contrary to the plain teachings of Go’s word.
    My question to those who are choosing the path of evolution is, ‘what is your purpose in God’s church’?
    To the president of the Michigan Conference and it’s Executive Committee, I want to encourage you to continue to stand for the right even though the heavens fall. We are living in the last days and God will have a people who will stand for truth in the face of fierce opposition. May you continue to be numbered among those.
    We should not stop at La Sierra but let our voices be known at Andrews, Oakwood and all the other institutions that are teaching not only evolution but are leading our young people away from the word of Almighty God to the spiritual exercises of Loyola whilst denying God’s warnings to us through His prophet Ellen White. We must make our opposition known to the leadership that we oppose the parading of Vatican at our General Conference sessions. It is time for God’s people to stand up and face the Omega of Apostasy that is upon us. If not now when.
    The challenge may seem formidable; but God is on our side. He will fight with us and for us. I pray that the Kevin Paulsons of the church would continue to make it clear that the Omega will not go unanswered.
    Here we stand, we can do no other. May God help us.
    Aubrey Duncan




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  36. Dear Jonathan:

    You are so right in asking, Where is the cross in the message coming out of LSU? This really is the bottom line. Where is the cross if one believes in evolution? It becomes totally unnecessary, because if the Darwinian model is true, mankind is naturally advancing upward in the evolutionary scheme of things. There is no room for a fall, no sin, and thus no need for salvation or for a Man hanging on a cross.

    And most assuredly, there is no room for charity if one believes in evolution. Charity, in fact, is an obstruction to the evolutionary process, which operates on the basis of the survival of the fittest. The strong devour the weak in the name of advancement and progress. No one in this dialogue has yet explained to me how grace, mercy, and love fit into such a worldview.

    God bless!

    Pastor Kevin Paulson




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  37. I am glad to hear someone mention Loyola. I have been questioning: WHO ARE THESE LEADERS WHO HAVE INFILTRATED ADVENTISM?

    If it matters to you, it would be a good thing to check out. That might have eternal implications.

    I know the grandparents of R. Wisbey–nice people. I don’t think THEY would have supported evolution being taught. Dad Wisbey was very intuitive, quite capable of ferreting out a problem before it became full-blown rebellion. Nice people. I enjoyed many meals prepared by his wife, but she brooked no nonsense! Nice people.




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  38. Oh, yes, I also had a beloved, very talented aunt. She was so nice, I really loved her, though I didn’t often see her. It probably was a good thing, though, because I have since learned that she was a spiritist. Very nice, though.




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  39. We are seeing what is to take place before Jesus comes before our eyes ….we need to wake up stand up and be counted .. God Help those who are blinded to the truth of Gods Holy Word ..and teaching it !!!!




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  40. Spectrum has published a blog by one of the LSU constituents – a letter that was possibly sent to the Adventist Review – complaining that the Review revealed the controversy at LSU to their readership.

    http://www.spectrummagazine.org/blog/2010/06/03/la_sierra_mother_writes_review#comment-54374

    A number of responses to the LSU crisis from pro-evolution supporters (or at least defenders) seems to take the form “yes but there are nice people at LSU”.

    As might have been predicted – the letter sent to the review did not mention the “actual” issue that was reported in the Review article – it just insisted that the Review understand that “there are nice people” at LSU.

    As Geraty said “if they could just see our faces”.

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  41. Geraty said “if they could just see our faces”.

    This is just the typical “smokescreening” that Geraty and others at LSU love to use, in order to avoid facing the real issue. I hope the Review can see through his tactics.




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  42. I’m surprise Geraty didn’t parade around some “nice people” so we could actually see some of them, which is a classic tactic of avoiders.




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