LSU student petition surfaces

By Educate Truth Staff

The current conflict at LSU regarding evolution being promoted hasn’t been the only time the university has butted heads with concerned students. Seventy-eight La Sierra University students expressed interest in having more events that showed evidence affirming the biblical creation by signing a petition May 27, 2004. The petition reads:

Please sign your name if you are interested in having more events at La Sierra University that actually show that science does not invalidate the Biblical account of Creation. I am a senior bio major, and believe me you will not hear this message anywhere in the entire bio curriculum! After paying $60,000 for our ‘SDA’ education we deserve to hear this evidence.”

The student-led petition was signed by LSU students at a packed Cossentine Hall following a lecture by Sean Pitman titled “Creation or Evolution: What Does the Science tell Us?” The petition is covered in Bible verses, “amens,” and various remarks such as:

“Bring it sister! Stop the confusion!”

“Is this an SDA university or are we now in the U.C. system?!”

“Preach the Truth!”

One student suggested that the same was happening in the religion department at LSU, “Do this for the religion dept. too!” At the bottom of the petition a student wrote, “I’m not paying $20K/year for public school education.”

The president of LSU at that time Larry Geraty was in attendance along with some LSU faculty. A question and answer session, lasting over an hour, followed Pitman’s lecture. According to Pitman, Geraty was one of the first to make a comment, “We’re all creationists here, and we all teach about creation.”

This statement contrasts significantly with the LSU student petition. At one point, during the question and answer period, students reacted in loud clapping, cheers, and amens when Pitman said, “If you’re working for Nike, and you’re promoting Reebok, why should Nike pay your salary?”

According to General Conference Representative from Loma Linda University Don Roth, two LSU students Janelle Moorhead and Jason Shives approached him regarding the petition. He told them he would pass the petition on to GC Secretariat Matthew Bediako and Pacific Union President Tom Mostert, both of whom are currently retired. Roth said he didn’t hear anything more from the GC or Pacific Union concerning the issue.

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28 thoughts on “LSU student petition surfaces

  1. Sister White said this mess would happen. She also said that NOTHING would be allowed to get in its way, and that is obviously happening. The shaking that she spoke of is fully underway. Come quickly Lord Jesus, our Creator! Keep up the great work Shane.

    “The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure.

    Who has authority to begin such a movement? We have our Bibles. We have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth?” E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 1, 204, 205




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  2. “After paying 60,000 for our education we deserve to hear this evidence”.

    How sad that the students at LSU had to “petition” their SDA university to come up with at least “some” initiative in presenting science that affirms the events that actually happened IN nature instead of simply making up stories about “birds coming from reptiles”!

    After all – you can pay a lot less than 60,000 to hear “birds come from reptiles” all day long in other schools.

    How SAD that LSU would need to dismiss this evidence instead of being fully rebuked by it, and immediately reformed by it. It is evidence of their having turned a blind eye to the concerns of the students over this key issue. Did they think this deed would not come out into the light of day?

    I pray that God will vindicate his people who choose reform over rebellion.

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  3. In seeking to cast contempt upon the divine statutes, Satan has perverted the doctrines of the Bible, and errors have thus become incorporated into the faith of thousands who profess to believe the Scriptures. The last great conflict between truth and error is but the final struggle of the long-standing controversy concerning the law of God. Upon this battle we are now entering—a battle between the laws of men and the precepts of Jehovah, between the religion of the Bible and the religion of fable and tradition. {GC 582.2}

    …Infidelity prevails to an alarming extent, not in the world merely, but in the church. Many have come to deny doctrines which are the very pillars of the Christian faith. The great facts of creation as presented by the inspired writers, the fall of man, the atonement, and the perpetuity of the law of God, are practically rejected, either wholly or in part, by a large share of the professedly Christian world. GC582.3

    I am wondering if the SDA evolutionism supporters (whether they themselves claim to believe evolutionism or not) really know what they are doing?

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  4. nice. it’s hard to believe there were actually 78 students six years ago who cared that evolution was being promoted. in 2009 it seemed there were only two or three who protested, and they have either left the school in disgust or have graduated after much duress. i wonder … are there any students left who care about biblical creation or has the school finally weeded them all out?




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  5. “The student-led petition was signed by LSU students at a packed Cossentine Hall following a lecture by Sean Pitman titled “Creation or Evolution: What Does the Science tell Us?””

    I’m confused about this packed crowd.

    In an article by spectrum a reference is made to an article by Erv Taylor.
    (http://www.spectrummagazine.org/blog/2009/05/29/unravaling_witch_hunt_la_sierra_under_seige)
    “In his article, Fundamentalist Creationist Gets Lukewarm Reception at La Sierra University, Taylor suggested that of the 50-70 students in attendance, all but 10 or so left in disgust over what they assumed would be a balanced analysis of creation and evolution but instead came across as a diatribe against evolution and La Sierra faculty members.”

    The Adventist Today article says.
    (http://www.atoday.com/fundamentalist-creationist-gets-lukewarm-student-reception-la-sierra-university)
    “A presentation on Friday, February 20, 2009 at LSU by Sean Pitman, M.D. sought to advance a fundamentalist understanding of the Genesis creation narratives. In his presentation, which was attended at the beginning by what was estimated to be between 50 and 70 students dwindling down to less than 10 at the end, he particularly singled out for criticism the teaching of evolutionary biology in LSU science classes, and selectively quoted from a class syllabus.”

    Could you please comment on this and help clear up the statement about a packed Cossentine Hall, because the last time I was at LSU the hall looked like it could hold more than 70 people.

    Thank you for helping clear up my confusion on this issue!

    -Scott Brizendine




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  6. Mary, this generation of young people have been taught that there is no such thing as definite right or definite wrong. The Daniel’s are very few and far between now.




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  7. @D Fender,

    Even the SDA church, in writing the Fundamental Beliefs allows that we don’t have it all figured out yet.

    “These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church’s understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture. Revision of these statements may be expected at a General Conference session when the church is led by the Holy Spirit to a fuller understanding of Bible truth or finds better language in which to express the teachings of God’s Holy Word.”

    hbear




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  8. @Harold Bear:

    I totally believe that over time our church will understand our biblical beliefs to a deeper level. I don’t think that any rationally thinking person believes that a “fuller understanding” or “better language” means that we will change from understanding that God created the earth in 6 literal 24 hour days to it evolved over millions of years, or that marriage is between one man and one woman to between two men or two women. Neither do I believe that it means abandoning certain beliefs altogether, like the Heavenly Sanctuary. If you have an issue with the EGW quote, you will need to take that up with her! Nevertheless, I believe we are so deep into the shaking that she spoke of that there is no turning back. The great theme of the Great Controversy is obedience to God, or rebellion against God – which side are we going to be on? Are we going to be on God’s side or satan’s side? Which path will we choose, the wide one with many people, or the more lonely narrow path?

    Big numbers at LSU, and big degrees after professor’s names don’t prove anything is truth, only in sticking to the Bible will we be safe.




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  9. I personally know some of the students who signed this petition. They are quality people, dedicated to our church and our message of salvation to this fallen world. I am proud of these great young people who have chosen to stand up and be counted.




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  10. Personally, I think the internal petition by students (and apparently a few faculty) was respectful and appropriate. It’s too bad the administration was not more responsive. Nevertheless, I am doubtful anyone signing that petition consented at the time to have their signatures posted on the WWW.

    In contrast to the relatively harmless approach of the students, there is nothing appropriate about this website, which goes totally against the Biblical injuction, “Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit says the Lord.”




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  11. We need thousands more like these among Adventist students in all of our mainline schools, from the secondary to the graduate level. I pray their numbers increase, and do so dramatically.

    God bless!

    Pastor Kevin Paulson




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  12. Even the SDA church, in writing the Fundamental Beliefs allows that we don’t have it all figured out yet.
    “These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church’s understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture. Revision of these statements may be expected at a General Conference session when the church is led by the Holy Spirit to a fuller understanding of Bible truth or finds better language in which to express the teachings of God’s Holy Word.”

    The statement above is not an admission of a flaw in our doctrines. It is admission that we do not possess infinite knowledge. Thus it cannot be bent to mean “we are not realy sure if Jesus is the Son of God we are still looking into it to see if that is really true”. It also cannot be bent to mean “we are not sure if the Bible really says that God created the World in 6 days, or if the Bible can be trusted in that regard, or if a day is really a day – still looking into it”.

    And that can be said for the other doctrines as well.

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  13. mary hilde says:
    November 12, 2010 nice. it’s hard to believe there were actually 78 students six years ago who cared that evolution was being promoted. in 2009 it seemed there were only two or three who protested, and they have either left the school in disgust or have graduated after much duress. i wonder … are there any students left who care about biblical creation or has the school finally weeded them all out?

    I am waiting for the rush of LSU students coming here and affirming a literal 7 day creation week less than 10,000 years ago who object to an SDA university proclaiming evolutionism as the right answer for the doctrine on origins and the explanation for the taxanomic order of genomes seen today. Those students will either claim that LSU is explicitly promoting the literal 7 day creation week less than 10,000 years ago as the “Real events that happened in nature” in their Biology and Religion classes – or they will say that they do not care whether LSU does that or not.

    In the mean time while we wait – it is instructive that this thread dedicated to the atrocity of an SDA teaching institution ignoring the plea of its own students when the “petition” that SDA values and doctrines be taught an the SDA school — the “real focus” of some will be “how many people exactly were in attendance at the talk that Sean gave to that group of students”. As good a misdirection as any if you ask me.

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  14. @Professor Kent-I’m sorry to hear that you feel this website to be inappropriate. The Bible says, “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up your voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgressions, and the house of Jacob their sins.” (Isaiah 58:1). Jesus said, “…that which you have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops” (Luke 12:3). The problem with this absolutely wicked world is that no sinner wants their wicked deeds to be uncovered. Jesus said, “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” (John 3:19-21).

    When someone signs a petition to have an action done, that means they are putting their name their because they want to see the necessary actions taken. In order to get that necessary action taken, the petition must go to the appropriate bodies. If those bodies refuse to hear the petition, then it must be taken to a higher counsel to get the action taken care of. Those names are evidence of a cry that landed upon the deaf ears of a perverse institution that would take no action. Signatures are there because those students want the action taken to correct this insidious and evil situation. Action is being taken, and PRAISE GOD that their voices are finally being heard by an audience who is committed to rectify this terrible situation.

    Thank you again to Educate Truth for bringing these issues out into the open and allowing the concerned SDA public to understand the plight of these hurting students, along with the historical, and on-going apostate situation with La Sierra. This issue has been in silence and darkness for far too long. We pray the wickedness of deceitful men will be fully uncovered, reprimanded, and rectified in this matter. “Let us earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered to the saints.” (Jude 1:3). Let not the voice of Elijah ever be silenced, though Jezebel herself should complain that her wicked deeds have been exposed. If these people refuse to teach truth, and the school cannot be redeemed or re-claimed, then praise God that every soul be aware of it. They can deceive no more. Let an orange be called an orange and an apple an apple. If I had any, I’d never send my kids to a corrupt and deceitful school like that. And for that matter, you can be absolutely sure, that I will never allow or advise one of my newly converted Bible students to attend that school.It requires so much time, effort, and prayers to win one soul to the truth. To hell if I’m going to send one of my precious converts to a rogue organization like that which would just as soon send them out the back door into the world again, without God, and without hope. I love my students too much, and so does God. Thank you Educate Truth for making these matters so clear to us all. Let the truth always be known and taught! And let us fight for it to be so.




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  15. The devil attacks………..and GOD responds with His young……the trusting….God loving….God fearing kids! What a beautiful site to behold….

    Praise Him, Praise Him
    Deborah




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  16. @ Benjamin Burkhardt and Professor Kent- I thank God for Mr. Burkhardt’s answer. I’ve been reading Kent’s comments on this site and see nothing but deception in them. The devil himself when tempting Jesus used the Scriptures.But the scriptures are self explaining if you seek Truth.
    In his comment Kent says the student’s “internal petition” was “respectful and appropriate”. It is clear that he wants this matter to be kept “internal” in LSU and so he shows bitterness and disdain towards Educate Truth and its supporters(quotes from his comments to another article “you don’t get it” “you simply don’t understand” “you’re not an academic, though you likely think otherwise”).
    But in the next paragraph of that same comment he states the students’ approach was “relatively harmless”, so is he saying there was some harm made by petitioning for what’s expected at an SDA institution? He also says “too bad the administration was not more responsive”, to a harmful petition? Seems like a contradiction. Those students and Educate Truth are on the same side. Logic is fundamental to true science.
    God is one…and Mr Kent sounds like a legion.
    Finally Mr. Kent quotes Scripture… but absolutely out of context! So humanities are not his strength either. Mr. Kent is using all his “might” and “power” but these are not as mighty or powerful as Mr. Burkhardt’s. Thank our almighty God, ever merciful.
    “My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me as my servant Job has.”(Job 42:8)




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  17. Thank you Shane for letting us know and then keeping us informed. If only this petition could have been responded to and acted on. If we as SDA’s had had your kind of informative information for many of the creeping compromises our schools and churches and conferences have slid into over the years. Yes I want to say please keep up the good work. Thank u again. May God bless you mightely. Sis




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  18. This petition from 2004 — and then this letter from 2004 (see link: http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/former-lsu-student-letter-reveals-professors-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-22376 ) tell me that Geraty, McCloskey and Fritz Guy were working a coordinated program that was so opposed to SDA values that the insightful Bible believing Christian students themselves were raising their hands in objection – and then being ignored.

    in Christ,

    Bob
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    To stand in defense of truth and righteousness when the majority forsake us, to fight the battles of the Lord when champions are few–this will be our test. At this time we must gather warmth from the coldness of others, courage from their cowardice, and loyalty from their treason.–5T 136 (1882). {LDE 180.4}




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  19. I am so proud of the 78 students and professors that signed this petition. It is sad that they weren’t heard until now. Why did we wait six year to validate their concerns? We probably shouldn’t wait for this again. Unless the teaching at the university is different, we probably won’t get this kind of response again. Students are probably convinced by now that evolution is what the church teaches.




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