Bradley, Beach and Kaatz retain attorney

Educate Truth shares the following excerpt from Spectrum as a service to readers.

The LSU Faculty Senate called an emergency session on Friday where an action was voted requesting the Board of Trustees not to accept the resignations. After graduation the Board met from 2 pm until approximately 8:30 pm.

On Tuesday in a meeting with faculty from the College of Arts and Sciences, Provost Steve Pawluk relayed a very brief message regarding the Board meeting.

The Board met in closed session and discussed issues relating to the resignations, including a letter received from the attorney for the three employees. The University’s legal counsel was present at the discussion. The Board referred the matter to counsel and has no further comment on the matter at this time. The resignations continue to be in effect.

With that announcement he began the proceedings for choosing a search committee to replace the dean of the College of Arts and Sciences.

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31 thoughts on “Bradley, Beach and Kaatz retain attorney

  1. Proverbios 10:19
    La Biblia de las Américas (LBLA)

    19En las muchas palabras, la transgresión es inevitable,
    mas el que refrena sus labios es prudente.




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  2. Think big fish: LSU or the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

    Graham might not have followed procedure with these men, but I don’t know what the procedure is. I’ve read what the process is in the faculty handbook, but I don’t know if that applies to administrative positions which are at will employees. If it does apply to them, then it appears the process was not followed.




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  3. Kind of funny, calling something a “witch hunt” when folks who take our Adventist donor dollars get a big bang out of denigrating Adventist standards—and then folks cry “foul” when these undercutting shenanigans are exposed?




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  4. Both sides are sadly wrong, the employees for using alcohol and being disrespectful regarding the administration.

    The administration is wrong for abandoning the Adventist’s most fundamental belief in religious freedom and commitment to truth in favor of a witch hunt to enforce orthodoxy.

    A witch hunt is searching to suppress non-orthodoxy instead of searching to spread the truth. Christ never gave us the job of suppressing falsehood.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. A witch hunt is still a witch hunt even if the witches get drunk.




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  5. The use of the term “witch hunt” is a misnomer for what is happening here. What people want here is accountability. We pay for one thing and get another. That is dishonest. Those at LSU who sign a faculty contract agreeing to work for the SDA denomination and then work to undermine it, both professionally and personally, should either change and be ethical to their employer, or leave. This white wash system of a facade that looks ok on the outside, and is rotten on the inside, needs to go. It’s time! We have work to do.




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  6. There may be some legal issues regarding invasion of privacy since it is not likely that there was consent to audio record those seemingly “private” conversations.




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  7. Seven times the law of God says, “You must purge the evil from among you.” Deut. 13:5; 17:7; 19:19; 21:21; 22:21,24; 24:7. This is not a weeding out of tares from precious wheat but simply having the discernment and courage to reveal a true and unmistakable distinction between living things and toxic sludge.




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  8. Brian: There may be some legal issues regarding invasion of privacy since it is not likely that there was consent to audio record those seemingly “private” conversations.

    I don’t see how there could be many privacy issues as the person responsible for posting this recording in the first place is the man who recorded it. By doing so, he made it public himself. Who else can he blame?




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  9. Faithful Disciple: The use of the term “witch hunt” is a misnomer for what is happening here. What people want here is accountability. We pay for one thing and get another. That is dishonest.

    Amen! I am so tired of hearing that false accusation being bandied about on this site. Please! All you evolutionists, quit trying to blow smoke around to cloud this issue. The heart of the matter is accountability as Faithful Disciple has beautifully stated. We have a right to expect our institutions to teach our beliefs. If the professors involved can’t refrain from teaching evolution, then they need to go to an institution where it is acceptable. SDA institutions are funded and patronized by the church. Ultimately, the church has a right to hold the professors to accountability. And we, as church members, have the right to call for it. That is not a witch hunt–and if it was done in any secular institution or workplace it would not be accused of being so. It is just a flimsy defense by those who really have no valid defense.




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  10. Shane Hilde: Think big fish: LSU or the Seventh-day Adventist Church.Graham might not have followed procedure with these men, but I don’t know what the procedure is. I’ve read what the process is in the faculty handbook, but I don’t know if that applies to administrative positions which are at will employees. If it does apply to them, then it appears the process was not followed.

    Trustees book says, in 6,9,F, that the Trustes may “discontinue” virtually anyone working at the university.

    Does that mean to “fire” or to “force their resignation? Seems like it does.




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  11. Faith and Faithful–thank you for pointing out what should be obvious to everyone.

    Whenever an employer hires you to represent an organization, you are agreeing to what that organization stands for. You are agreeing to promote its goals and beliefs. You are agreeing to perform certain duties that advance those goals and beliefs.

    If you can’t or don’t want to do that, then DON’T APPLY. It’s that simple.

    “Witch hunt” accusations are smoke and mirror tactics. If we are Christians, we must deal in truth instead. Leave the smoke and mirrors to the world.

    I suspect one of the underlying problems of this whole mess is the acceptance of the human philosophy of “relativism”–there is no good or evil.

    Relativism is NOT biblical. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve.




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  12. Faith: I don’t see how there could be many privacy issues as the person responsible for posting this recording in the first place is the man who recorded it.By doing so, he made it public himself.Who else can he blame?

    Great point Faith! So if Drs. Bradley, Kaatz, and Beach want to sue someone, they should sue Lenny, their ex-best buddy.




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  13. Lenny was the one who recorded his friends without their permission, and then he made it public without their permission.

    Maybe it is George W. Bush’s fault.




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  14. “The Law” may side with the terminated folks. That does not make it right. Does anyone believe that the government will be fair in the closing days of history? It is SDA doctrine that this nation (the “lamb-like beast” of Rev 13) will ultimately enforce a Sunday law with severe penalties. Yes, that is at the very end … but it just seems that we are getting so very close. RIGHT?




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  15. Shane:

    While I haven’t read the handbook, I have 15 years of educational experience in both public and private schools. It seems to me that if the policy allows for dismissal on the grounds of consumption, then removing an at-will administrator from their administrative duties is well within the rights of the president of the university.

    Granted, (and we would all do well to remember this part of any situation) we only know what we are being told and speculation is a dangerous game.

    At some point, we need to sit back and allow the administration to do their job. It’s a tough place to be and no matter what they’d have done someone would have been unhappy.

    I think that the most damaging thing in the whole situation is that it was self-incriminating and then made public. I gasped through the entire article as I read it.

    LSU has requested our prayers and we should honor that request.




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  16. Concerned Adventist: Whenever an employer hires you to represent an organization, you are agreeing to what that organization stands for. You are agreeing to promote its goals and beliefs. You are agreeing to perform certain duties that advance those goals and beliefs.
    If you can’t or don’t want to do that, then DON’T APPLY. It’s that simple

    That is the bottom line.

    If you do not really want to be a Seventh-day Adventist Christian leader and teacher – why apply?

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  17. Concerned Adventist: “Witch hunt” accusations are smoke and mirror tactics. If we are Christians, we must deal in truth instead. Leave the smoke and mirrors to the world.
    I suspect one of the underlying problems of this whole mess is the acceptance of the human philosophy of “relativism”–there is no good or evil.

    The sad thing is that a certain amount of relativism has crept into the church such that IF in that meeting we had a Bible study, prayer, worship service – (and then some drinking of wine), as the group members were claiming to uphold trust in the Bible and affirmation of Adventist beliefs — you probably would not have had anyone asked to resign.

    If this were not a bad-language sports-bar style party running down the denomination, running down conservatives in the church, running down the efforts of the denomination to manage its own teaching institutions and running down our values regarding the fact that the Bible as a trustworthy document when it comes to a doctrine on origins – the issue of wine could have stood or fallen “on its own” — and given the present state of “relativism” it might not even have been noticed by some of our leaders.

    in Christ,

    Bob




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  18. it’s called in California at least: “at will employment” that means they don’t even have to give you a reason. They were kind. They gave a reason!




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  19. Perhaps God Himself will do something to correct a problem if those who are supposed to cannot come up with a solution?

    I rather doubt that the recorder was left running on purpose. Perhaps God saw to it that it was forgotten?

    For those who have lost their jobs over this, and those who are still supporting them, this does not mean that God is no longer interested in you. It simply means that He is finely letting you suffer the consequences of your own dicisions, perhaps to get your attention?

    However, there is some good news yet! If He does have your attention now, why not give Him a chance to reveal Himself to you? to convience you beyond any doubt that He is real and His Book is true as written? Spend some time (minimum of thirty minutes) each day – with no other motive that to find Him and let Him tell you what He wants from you, then do it! You will never regret it if you let Him into your life!
    Sincerely,
    Your Brother in Christ

    Wayne Matlock




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  20. “….It is natural for the wrongdoer to hold the messengers of God responsible for the calamities that come as the sure result of a departure from the way of righteousness. Those who place themselves in Satan’s power are unable to see things as God sees them, they become indignant at the thought of receiving reproof. Blinded by sin, they refuse to repent, they feel that God’s servants have turned against them and are worthy of severe censure. …
    TODAY THERE IS A NEED OF THE VOICE OF STERN REBUKE, FOR GRIEVOUS SINS HAVE SEPARATED THE PEOPLE FROM GOD.Infidelity is fast becoming fashionable. “We will not have this man to reign over us,” is the language of thousands. (Luke 19:14) The smooth sermons so often preached make no lasting impression, the trumpet does not give a certain sound. Men are not cut to the heart by the plain, sharp truths of God’s word.
    “There are many professed Christians who,if they should express their real feelings, would say, What need is there of speaking so plainly? They might as well ask, Why need John the Baptist have said to the Pharisees,’O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?'(Luke 3:7). Why need he have provoked the wrath of Herodias by telling Herod that it was unlawful for him to live with his brother’s wife? The forerunner of Christ lost his life life for his plain speaking. Why could he not have just moved along without incurring the displeasure of those who were living in sin?
    “SO MEN (AND WOMEN?) WHO SHOULD BE STANDING AS FAITHFUL GUARDIANS OF GOD’S LAW HAVE ARGUED, TILL POLICY HAS TAKEN THE PLACE OF FAITHFULNESS, AND SIN IS ALLOWED TO GO UNREPROVED. WHEN WILL THE VOICE OF FAITHFUL REBUKE BE HEARD ONCE MORE IN THE CHURCH? …
    “…The Lord’s messengers should not complain that their effects are without fruit until they repent of their own love of approbation and their desire to please men, which leads them to suppress truth.
    “Those ministers who are men pleasers who cry Peace, peace, when God has not spoken peace, might well humble their hearts before God, asking pardon for their insincerity and their lack of moral courage. … When souls are in peril, God’s ministers will not consider self, but will speak the word given them to speak, refusing to excuse or palliate evil.” Prophets and Kings, pgs. 139-142.

    Whether we realize it not not, we have reached a time of great crisis in our church. Where is the voice of “stern rebuke” being heard anywhere? It should be coming from every church, every conference, every church paper–and especially from the General Conference leadership. Maybe things are going on behind the scenes but so far months have passed since the GC was held in Atlanta and to my knowledge there has been no public evidence of it. Another school year will soon be here almost before we know it. Are our young people going to be faced with another year of this heresy?
    Yes, four men were asked to resign but to the general church body it appears that at least two of them are still there in some capacity–and everybody I talk to assures us that this has nothing to do with the problems in the science (and religion?) departments. So what IS going on in these two departments and why are those men still there?
    It seems to me that at least two decades of letting these obnoxiousness “weeds” to grow and flourish in our schools is WAY PAST “long enough!” Many have ferverently prayed about this situation but have seen nothing (that I know of) that gives any indication that something is actually being DONE about it.What are we waiting for?
    I have absolutely no question but that God has honest, sincere Christian men and women “out there” somewhere with which He could replace every single person who is teaching heresy in our schools–IF that is what HE sees needs to be done. BUT–there is always a distinct possibility that He might not think that is what we need.
    Our church and our schools were originally founded to train our youth to be ready to be a witness for HIM AND HIS TRUTH AND TO MEET JESUS WHEN HE RETURNS. We were never intended to compete with the world and “make a name for ourselves” by turning our backs on what our real goals in life should be. Worldly fame may (and has) come to some (Joseph and Daniel for example)but that has never been the reason for preparing ourselves for personal greatness.
    Maybe, just maybe, God WANTS some Bible Colleges to train our youth to be real witnesses for Him in these “end times.” And maybe,just maybe,He is allowing these things to happen to get us back to the basics on which our church was founded! Maybe–just maybe–He wants some Josephs,some Davids, and some Daniels to help finish His work on this earth so Jesus can come and bring a final end to misery!




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  21. I have been in this message long enough to know that THIS is what the end times looks like. Jesus’ second coming is very close.

    “Wonderful scenes are opening before us; and at this time a living testimony is to be borne in the lives of God’s professed people so that the world may see that in this age, when evil reigns on every side, there is yet a people who are laying aside their will and are seeking to do God’s will—a people in whose hearts and lives God’s law is written.” The Adventist Home, p. 4.1526 (EGW)

    “God expects those who bear the name of Christ to represent Him. Their thoughts are to be pure, their words noble and uplifting. The religion of Christ is to be interwoven with all that they do and say…. God desires His people to show by their lives the advantage of Christianity over worldliness, to show that they are working on a high, holy plane.”
    Counsels to Teachers, Parents, and Students, 321-324.
    {AH 4.1526}

    “There has been a class of social gatherings in——, … parties of pleasure that have been a disgrace to our institutions and to the church. They encourage pride of dress, pride of appearance, self-gratification, hilarity, and trifling. Satan is entertained as an honored guest, and he takes possession of those who patronize these gatherings.” {AH 4.1510}

    “A view of one such company was presented to me, where were assembled those who profess to believe the truth. One was seated at the instrument of music, and such songs were poured forth as made the watching angels weep. There was mirth, there was coarse laughter, there was abundance of enthusiasm and a kind of inspiration; but the joy was such as Satan only is able to create. This is an enthusiasm and infatuation of which all who love God will be ashamed. It prepares the participants for unholy thought and action. I have reason to think that some who were engaged in that scene heartily repented of the shameful performance.”
    The Adventist Home, p. 4.1512 (EGW)

    “As your senses delight in the attractive loveliness of the earth, think of the world that is to come, that shall never know the blight of sin and death; where the face of nature will no more wear the shadow of the curse. Let your imagination picture the home of the saved, and remember that it will be more glorious than your brightest imagination can portray. In the varied gifts of God in nature we see but the faintest gleaming of his glory. It is written, “Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.” [1 Corinthians 2:9.] {CE 55.2}

    Happy Sabbath to everyone!




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  22. Lydian: “What need is there of speaking so plainly? They might as well ask, Why need John the Baptist have said to the Pharisees,’O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?’(Luke 3:7).”

    I totally agree with your above post. So many times the progressives/liberals have come on this site accusing us of being unchristian. Yet the truth is that it is unchristian to allow this situation to go on without raising our voices in protest–and I do believe plain speaking is necessary in this.

    It has plainly been shown that this situation was not dealt with for decades and it is only now, after the establishment of this site that it is beginning to be addressed. Evil grows in the dark. Much gratitude is due to Shayne and Sean for bringing this to light.

    But we need to see more action from the powers that be. We need a clean sweep of the evolution-loving and -believing from LSU no matter if they are professors, administrators, board members, or employees. None should remain in this institution.

    We need to have our institutions manned by faithful, fully converted SDAs…those that adhere to the principles of the SDA church.




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  23. Just a question. Does anyone know what “blowing smoke up your skirt” means?

    I’ve been trying to figure it out, but maybe it’s an american expression I haven’t heard of before. None of my Vietnamese friends know either.




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  24. It is slang. In America “blowing smoke” in general refers to efforts to misdirect, obfuscate and confuse others. To talk without actually saying anything.




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  25. BobRyan: It is slang. In America “blowing smoke” in general refers to efforts to misdirect, obfuscate and confuse others. To talk without actually saying anything.

    Thank you Bob. But what about the term “up your skirt?” Would that refer to some female person? Trying to confuse a woman?




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