Adventist kid, You need to define what type of science you’re …

Comment on Clifford Goldstein: ‘A Safe Place’ by Shane Hilde.

Adventist kid,

You need to define what type of science you’re referring to. Origin science or operation science? I would assume since we’re speaking of origins that you woud be speaking of origin science, which uses different methods of determining what happened in the past. Origin science relies on relics from the past and historical records to try to discover truth.

The debate about origins is not about operation science, which is based in the present. The debate is about origin science and conflicting assumptions, or beliefs, about the past.

Perhaps you don’t understand the problem with saying “evolution is science, but the Bible is religion.” Molecules-to-man evolution is not proven by operation science; instead, it is a belief about the past based on antibiblical assumptions.

Creationists and evolutionists accept and use the same methods of research in both origin and operation science. The different conclusions about origins arise from different starting assumptions, not the research methods themselves.

So this isn’t about religion vs. science, but conflicting worldviews.

The revelation of nature is in harmony with divine revelation; however, our interpretation of nature must be guided by divine revaltion.

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I agree. In the end we (the Seventh-day Adventist Church) believe that God created the heaven and earth in six days in the recent past.

La Sierra biology professors deny this and taught theories contrary to it as fact, while suppressing the evidence that confirms what we alread know to be true from the Bible.

One reason why they deny the biblical account is because the Bible is no longer the ultimate authority. Their world view is not being governed by the Word of God.


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To my knowledge, nothing that evolutionary theory claims about origins has been observed today. Evolutionary biologists are merely interpreting the data based on their antibiblical presuppositions.


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It’s unfortunate AR is only letting subscribers read the whole article. I dropped my subscription some months ago.


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