Faith, I am glad we agree too. :) …

Comment on If the Creation Account Isn’t True… by Jon S. Klingbeil.

Faith, I am glad we agree too. 🙂

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If the Creation Account Isn’t True…
@ Faith. God did not give us doubt as you have suggested. Nor have I suggested it. He allows room for the possibility of it. Re-read the quote. Better yet, go pick up the book Steps to Christ and read the whole chapter on “What to Do With Doubt.” Statements taken in context can be understood more easily.


If the Creation Account Isn’t True…
@ Faith, if God removed all doubt from our thinking there would be no reason to doubt anything. There would be no argument here. There would be no disagreements. This web site would not exist. No one would say evolution is the way we came into existence. If the possibility of doubt were removed, we would be robots whose one job is to obey what the master controller says. Kinda like an inanimate object. But God did not do this. He gave us the freedom of choice. I can choose to believe Him or I can choose to believe Him not. I can even choose something or someone else’s idea and theology if I wish. This is why this website is in existence, because I can choose. If doubt were removed, so would my choice. Remove doubt [Gods part], remove choice [our part].
Now we have the choice to like or dislike this statement, to love or hate it. Its our choice. Place your judgement into the green or red box. Kinda daft really.


If the Creation Account Isn’t True…
“God never asks us to believe, without giving sufficient evidence upon which to base our faith. His existence, His character, the truthfulness of His Word, are all established by testimony that appeals to our reason; and this testimony is abundant. Yet God has never removed the possibility of doubt. Our faith must rest upon evidence, not demonstration. Those who wish to doubt will have opportunity; while those who really desire to know the truth, will find plenty of evidence on which to rest their faith.” STC p. 105

Remove doubt, remove choice.


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Creeds and Fundamental Beliefs
“People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh Day Adventists and keep Saturday holy” (Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, Vol. 30, Nov. 22, May 31, 1995)


Former LSU student letter reveals professor’s agenda
Why are there few true Bible believing Adventists in leadership? Because most have either never believed in the first place or sold out.

“The greatest want of the world IS the want of MEN-men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will STAND for the RIGHT though the heavens fall.” (Education, p. 57)

“God never asks us to believe without giving sufficient evidence upon which to base our faith. His existence, His character, the truthfulness of His Word, are all established by testimony that appeals to our reason; and this testimony is abundant. Yet God has never removed the possibility of doubt. Our faith must rest upon evidence, not demonstration. Those who wish to doubt will have opportunity; while those who really desire to know the truth, will find plenty of evidence on which to rest their faith.” (Steps to Christ, p. 105)

“Bible believing” Adventists believe without a shadow of doubt in the 7 ‘literal’ day creation process, for there IS plenty of evidence to support it. While the those who do not, are allowed that choice by God Himself. Now, those who believe that evolution is the only ‘truth’ or ‘real science’ should not be allowed to teach this corrupt worldly view in our Adventist institutions-ever!

One thing still remains, “God has not removed the possibility of doubt.”

Remove doubt, remove the freedom of choice.


Ted Wilson: “We will not flinch. We will not be deterred.”
This is what the apostle Paul says about the last days: “The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine” (2 Timothy 4:3).


Ted Wilson: “We will not flinch. We will not be deterred.”
“The greatest want of the world is the want of men, men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall” (Education, p. 57).

I noticed a comment or two that was quite bitter. Truth is not always sweet!

“Continue eating cotton candy, its good for the tongue.”


Defining Adventism: A poll
James states “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” 2:10

If an Adventist institution CONDONES evolution, what next?

Great Controversy pg. 595 states “But God WILL have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the STANDARD of ALL doctrines and the basis of ALL reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority-not ONE nor all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain “‘Thus saith the Lord'” in its support.”

That my friends, is a powerful statement…