Comment on CCC apprises leadership of LSU news by Shannon.
Glenn Orin Clifford Stansal:
As I stated on a posting regarding this matter on anther provided site, it seems to me that at least one of the most important issues needing to be addressed is that this institution is claiming to be one of â€˜higher learningâ€™.At least I would imagine this is the case.It behooves LSU, then, to follow a mandate of true â€˜academic freedomâ€™, regarding what is presented to students; that is, that all courses be taught in an impartial manner, and that the choice of what to believe is left to the student, based upon personal conviction and research.It would seem to me to be professional incompetence, or at least abrogation of duty, to promote one philosophy or â€˜explanationâ€™ of our origins as the professorâ€™s personal pick, while then making a mere pretension of the statement that BOTH choices are being presented impartially. The appropriate facility for the promotion of one of these â€˜explanationsâ€™ would be the campus church (assuming there is one on campus), and, for the other explanation, an off-campus forum for discussion or promotion.
This would all be well and good if you were not at a “Christian” stated school in the first place. Being at such a place, then you are obviously biased in the goals and ways the students will be educated in every class and way–hopefully! It will not just have a church on campus–by the way–public universities have that as well.
We have built these schools–LSU included to be different in each and every class in order that teachers can openly talk about God and point people to His power, love and creative abilities.
No one is arguing that learning everything unbiased as some people think possible (I tend to agree with Sean on this one) and then making a decision is not an option and a good one for education of young people in public realm. This is what public universities are for–I have been to one. At an openly Christian university, I feel Christian principals should permeate all classes–not just the religion classes. This concept is what makes it special. If a teacher feels uncomfortable with these concepts and principals at defined by the organization–however biased–he is welcomed to go to a public university where he will be able to teacher without hindrance.
It just seems to me like we think everything has to be treated as a public university–it isn’t. If someone came to your house and started spouting off stuff to your family and children that you didn’t agree with, you would have every right to ask them to leave because it is your private house. This is our churches’ private school–house is that different?
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Carl and Sean,
Great summary Sean!
Carl, I do not think that Sean’s point is that he was trying to prove 6000-10,000 years. He was trying to decided which was more tenable–the traditional Biblical understanding of Genesis or the more Evolutionary from a Scientific perspective. Given the evidence, he feels that the weight is further from the ultra long–both take as certain amount of faith in the end. You just start with having to decide between the 2 ideas–Short or really long–I don’t think that there is a third choice religiously or scientifically out there at this moment.
My feeling is that it is always going to be nice to see some evidence but in the end, you will have to decide in faith. That is what you will do with the science or with the religion. Right at this time, I think we are all going to have to chose if we are going to make a religion out of science or not. If not, I think we better stick with what the Bible says and it is pretty straight forward to me. Then, it will always be nice to get a little back up from the science but we don’t have to.
PS–The Bible advises not to sleep with your neighbor’s wife. If society said otherwise, and 99.9% of experts said it was okay, would you do it? Some things we just will get wrong.
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Shane: Thank you. You comment was better worded than I could have explained.
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Michael: When you become an apostle or prophet–you can write letters–long ones– of discipline with strong language even as necessary. A lot of people use this as the norm to be able to talk to strangers and acquaintances the same way they would discipline their children when they have not established any status for this or knowledge for the other party to base any ability to judge or respect. More than likely the other will react negatively. This is not the case for the majority of us and will not be. When or if you obtain leadership in our church this may change for you but until that time you may not be able to instruct as such. The funny thing about the internet is that there is no way of telling as I said before so you have to assume the other person has no idea so the best to do is act as such with kindness and explanation.
Examples: “Where do I begin?” “poor bible student and quite ignorant of church history.” “Really?”
Maybe, maybe you were just being just a little defensive. Do you think the evolutionists will go any easier on you? Especially if you are trying to tell them they are of the devil.
Your quote of Timothy with exposure of sin before the church to reduce the chance of having it happen again–how would you go about that if you were in charge. I know a personal friend that had that happen to them–they left the church for many years–they were brought before the church and asked to confess their sin before the whole congregation at church. Yes, it was a sin. There was no 2 ways about it. So in front of a church filled with people a 16 year old girl told how she got pregnant out of wedlock! It is this type of misinterpretation of scripture that hurts people, their understanding of God and our church! Sin has to be handled and removed correctly–a leader should have the responsibility to confess to the church a public issue or sin. A 16 year old with a private sin may best need to deal with a few people at a time and specifically confess and ask forgiveness to the family she lives with and maybe the one of her significant relationship.
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Justin: You are obviously biased. I’m sorry you see it that way. I did use the Bible and did not insinuate that Micheal did not know what he was talking about. I’m glad you are happy about being right though. It is nice to feel that way. . . .
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Michael: You have no idea who I am or what my education is. The internet on a discussion site is no place for long explanations and arguments. Basic quotes and beliefs are simple for explanation or understanding. More will not get the job done in this format. Making judgments as to education and ignorance is usually comparative and not too accurate. My statements were made on the other hand off of your ongoing aggressive and demeaning use of wordage in our discussion and discussion with others that don’t happen to agree with you.
You may find that the world will all be much less smart that you if you use agreement with you as the criteria. There are a lot of people that use this as a criteria by the way and I have been treated badly by many of them. Some of them are probably much smarter that you and me put together. Just because of that does not make them right or any more believable.
Respect truly comes as a result of the ability to be respected.