Comment on PUC Professor: The Noachian Flood was just a local flood? by Michael E. Welch.
Just a quick observation on one statement made by our esteemed Dr. Ness to the effect that he believes that “truth is progressive.” This is a dangerous statement to make without explanation. If you believe that the old moral and Bible-based truths will become more and more “true” with time, then excellent thinking that will stand the test of “science-so-called.” BUT, if you believe, as it seems some of those involved in the above discussion do, that what was or seemed to be true in Bible times, by the Biblical record, and by the seeming support of the Spirit of Prophecy can be replaced as truth or shown to be in error, or somehow “undermined” by modern scientific “truth,” THEN you enter into such seriously dangerous ground as to be life threatening. This is the same boggy ground walked by “situation ethics.” Basically saying that you cannot accept the 10 Commandments as written, but must modify them according to the dictates of your PERSONAL evaluation of the situation. This got Adam and Eve into trouble and it will do as bad or worse for you and me.
Dr. Ness’s unwillingness to make a clear, consise, Bible, SOP and voted SDA Doctrinally supported statement of his PERSONAL beliefs and to submit a short apology for the confusion caused by his improper organization of a presentation on the debated subject in the alotted time, makes it seem as though he most likely holds personal views which do not come into harmony with the STRONG current stand by the leadership of the SDA Denomination clearly demonstrated at the Atlanta GC and “stamped” with the clear approval and support of our current GC Pres. Pastor Ted Wilson.
Something like this:
1. I apologize for the lack of clarity on vital issues of creationism made by the time constraints of my presentation and my lack of organization for a larger audience.
2. I personally believe in a literal contiguous 7, 24 hour, days of creation, a literal world-wide flood of Biblical proportions and agree with the SOP and SDA doctrinal support of such beliefs.
3. I will strive, as a dedicated educator in the SDA parochial school system to present clearly our beliefs on these issues and my support for those beliefs and teachings.
4. I submit that science has yet to catch up with Inspiration and that I personally support the inspiration of the Bible and SOP over the current teachings in the different fields of science that may seem to disagree or undermine the veracity of the Inspired sources of SDA Belief.
If Dr. Ness had the courage to make things clear and unambiguous in such a manner, then we would not be having this long and often tedious discussion. I’m afraid that it seems to do so would violate his personal beliefs, sad to say.
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