Comment on PUC Professor: The Noachian Flood was just a local flood? by Angelina.
For all of you who think this site and the information posted is not VITAL, you must not be parents. My son, a biology major, is a freshman at another SDA university and I have 2 more teens to follow in the next couple of years. I thank the Lord every day for this site and the people who are willing to put themselves out there for their sake. They are accomplishing their stated purpose which is to inform parents (and other church members) so that we can decide what to do about it and where to send our children. In my opinion, Ness has crossed the line. Playing devil’s advocate to teach a lesson is fine and dandy, but the lesson is LOST if the other side is not given equal billing.
I am particulary disturbed by most of your posts. The hostility and sarcasm you express are absolutely unnecessary. Do you not understand that WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON?!!! You can debate evolution/creation, short age/long age earth, local/global flood ad nauseum. This does not change my mind in the least.
Recent Comments by Angelina
Unfortunately, I am not at all in a position to comment on SAUâ€™s search for biology professors. I can only imagine how hard the task would be for them, and as you have described how frustrating, on the flipside, it would be to be interviewed for such a position. Iâ€™m afraid I donâ€™t have answers, even any suggestions (strange because I always have something to say), only that I would leave it in the Lordâ€™s hands. He is my go-to person.
â€œWho would want to teach at an institution with constituents who assume a priori youâ€™re an evolutionist, dissect endlessly any statement that could be twisted to mean something sinister, expose to public ridicule on the internet anyone who fails to state â€œthe weight of evidence favors the traditional SDA positionâ€ (Sean Pitmanâ€™s favored tactic), and send blanket hate mail to every biologist on the staff?â€
In all fairness to Sean/Shane, you know that going viral was preceded by their repeated attempts to draw attention to the issue in other â€˜quieterâ€™ ways: in person and through letters. Didnâ€™t work, did it? Iâ€™ve been on that end with my own battle, and believe me itâ€™s no picnic. Being ignored, or politely listened to THEN ignored when there is a pressing issue at hand, certainly one which involves our youth, or in my instance young children, you donâ€™t have time to sit back and wait hoping something will happen. You act. And, as a parent I am grateful to people like Sean/Shane for their willingness to take a public stand. You may not like their â€˜tacticsâ€™ and mine were also criticized, but if standing for what is right means ruffling a few feathers resistant to change, then so be it.
No worries. No offence taken.
â€œFor having those views, and for sharing their doubts, I donâ€™t believe they should be faulted any more so than faculty who share their honoest views on dancing, caffeine or alcohol consumption, abortion, homosexuality, sex on the Sabbath, or other Adventist â€œhot potatoes.â€
The faculty did far more than â€˜have a view, and share a doubtâ€. They TAUGHT their views on evolution as the only logical explanation of our origins. It is one thing to HAVE a view, quite another to TEACH it to the exclusion of and in opposition to the one and only Bible-based belief of origins on which the SDA church was founded.
â€œWhat the faculty should unquestionably be faulted for is insensitivity and failure to be more accomodating toward those who had divergent views.â€
Divergent views? So now, a view of Creationism as an explanation of origins in an SDA school is considered â€˜divergentâ€™? Did I understand that correctly?
The mere fact that this whole, sad and pathetic saga has gone on for this long is proof enough that incompetence has reigned supreme. Just because La Sierraâ€™s administrators have now sprung into action does not undo decades of misuse of power, and leaving them in office going forward will only serve to fester the current situation of mistrust.
That said, I was honestly blown away to read they were issuing an apology. Not quite sure yet what the apology is for, but I am hopeful it is a step in the right direction. The next step should be a call for letters of resignation/termination. Yes, back to that, Iâ€™m afraid.
LSU Board says ‘we apologize’
Sorry. Not sure how to post with a quote.
Adventist High School Student
You said, “Those are unsubstantiated accusations. What we had was a largely orchestrated campaign of character assassination against professors at La Sierra by the extreme right-wing element in the church, the equivalent of the Tea Party in modern day politics.Like I said, falling to these ridiculous attacks will do little to help La Sierra. I know quite a few of my friends and I plan to attend non-Adventist colleges as a result of these concerns.”
Unsubstantiated? What about Louie Bishop? What about Janelle and Jason Shives? To name just three. Do you really think people would be willing to put themselves out there, to suffer criticism and risk being misunderstood, ridiculed and ostracized if it werenâ€™t true? Would you?
By all means, decide which college is best for you. But, make that decision having fairly considered all the facts. You may not favour the â€œright-wing element of the churchâ€ for a whole host of reasons, but those reasons should not impede your objectivity to the point where you callously choose to disregard real personal testimony.
@Angelina: â€¦As he has done so generously at Southern Adventist University with, what is it, four Biology positions open?
Perhaps this 4-year wait speaks to how far SDA scientists have strayed from Truth, scientific or not. I don’t know, but I choose not to question God’s ways. Not always easy, but liberating for sure.