The SECC stands for something
@Peter:

You are criticizing SECC for not working “behind the scenes” before publishing their statement? You do understand what “behind the scenes” means, right? It means you didn’t know about it!

I know several people that were involved in the creation of this statement, and I also know that they personally contacted Doug Batchelor weeks prior to the issuance of this statement to express their disappointment in the tone and scholarship of his sermon. He responded to a couple of them; I will not publicly share what he said, because that exchange was “behind the scenes” and nobody’s business but Batchelor’s and the people he wrote to.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that you’re supporting the idea that it is fine to go public with concerns about the activities of a church employee as long as effort was made to address the problem “behind the scenes”, but without resolution… Is that correct?

If so, then you must also be supportive of the efforts of Educate Truth to increase transparency regarding the promotion of theistic evolution as the true story of origins at LSU for decades now – despite many “behind the scenes” efforts to correct this fundamental undermining of foundational pillars of the SDA Church…

You must also agree then that it does indeed seem rather hypocritical of the SECC to go after Doug Batchelor (a pastor outside of their own conference) so quickly when it has said aboslutely nothing, in any sort of public manner, regarding the proselytizing for theistic evolution by most of the science professors at LSU – right in its own backyard…

Glad to have your support 😉

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

The SECC stands for something
@Shannon:

Now, the contrast seems to be obvious to me. It’s okay if we do it but not if you do it!

You hit the nail on the head…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

The SECC stands for something
A Lawyer’s Take on the SECC Double Standard
In Atoday’s blog:
Nathan Schilt says:

I strongly suspect that your objections to EducateTruth’s calls for accountability in the LSU biology curriculum are pretextual. If they played by your rules, would you then concede that their agenda is legitimate? Of course not. You have made it quite clear in the past that you think laypersons and clerics have no business intruding into the non-religious curriculum at LSU. Or have I misunderstood you? Therefore, it seems to me that the only distinction you can honestly make between the Batchelor situation and the LSU biology curriculum would have to be based on a belief that freedom of expression in the classroom is entitled to greater protection than freedom of expression from the pulpit. I don’t know if that distinction will hold water very well, but at least it states a principle that can be debated rather than a conclusion which definitionally precludes debate.

http://www.atoday.com/content/secc-executive-committee-affirms-role-women-ministry#comment-7206

I couldn’t agree more. It is an artificial distinction for “progressives” to suggest that church representatives can and should be censured if they speak against church guidelines from the pulpit, but not if they do so in the classroom… regardless of the issue under consideration. This is a clear non sequitur. The conclusion simply doesn’t follow the starting premise.

If you’re going to be consistent with regard to complete academic freedom, then it only follows, logically, that the same sort of freedom should be tolerated from the pulpit as well – without official complaint or restraint from any division within the church organization – especially those calling themselves “progressive”.

Don’t get me wrong now. I’m very much in favor of the idea that the Church, as an organization, definitely needs rules of internal order, government, and discipline – rules that are clearly stated and followed. No organization can long survive without such things. However, at the very least, let’s try for consistency with regard to calls for internal censureship, discipline, and actual government within the SDA Church organization.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

Conrad Vine Continues to Attack Church Leadership
I think that there can be a reasonable combination of the best of modern medicine as well as the best of healthful living and natural remedies such as exercise, sunlight, vitamin D, “forest bathing”, good sleep, vegan or at least a vegetarian diet, etc…

Conrad Vine Continues to Attack Church Leadership
You opted not to get vaccinated during the pandemic, for whatever reason, but did not advise others to do the same. That’s fine. I think you probably increased your own risk a bit, but that’s far better than giving medical advice to others when you don’t know for sure that you’re right – especially for those who were at higher risk than you. It’s also good that you supported others who did choose to get vaccinated.

As far as SDA hospitals and organizations, I agree that there has been some drift from the ideal. I’m not happy that so many non-SDAs are hired to work in and to be leaders. I’m also disappointed that there isn’t a lot more emphasis, direction, and teaching with regard to healthful living. There are some who are doing this, like Dr. Roger Seheult. However, there does seem to be a lack of an organized or official emphasis on how to living healthful so as to avoid having to use so many medications for chronic conditions that are largely self-inflicted. Now, I do sympathize that quick fixed and pills are what most patients want. Most doesn’t want to give up their back health habits, so doctors often just give up and give their patients what they want. Still, this does not excuse the lack of effort along these lines in our hospitals and medical schools. Also, more should be done to spread the Gospel Message in our hospitals as well…

Conrad Vine Continues to Attack Church Leadership
Thank you for your kind words and support. I really appreciate it very much!

Conrad Vine Continues to Attack Church Leadership
I’m fine with open dialogue, but that includes presenting and at least understanding things from the GC’s perspective and why the significant majority of SDAs and GC delegates believe that the GC did the right thing during the pandemic and with the original 2015 statement on vaccines.

Conrad Vine Continues to Attack Church Leadership
So, it’s impossible to be a doctor who promotes the best of modern medicine as well as the best natural remedies and still be a follower of Jesus? Really? Not even Ellen White could be saved then…