@Victor Marshall: It is clear from Doug’s presentation that he …

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@Victor Marshall:

It is clear from Doug’s presentation that he does believe this issue should be a fundamental belief – and that it is at the root of sin coming into the world. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to use other means for this issue to be further examined or revised by the world body than to oppose the church’s current decision in public – and before unbelievers?

Educate Truth is not going to get sidetracked by every hot potato issue in the SDA Church. EdTruth has one simple goal – to increase transparency regarding the proselytizing for theistic evolution at LSU. That’s it. Batchelor may be right or wrong in his opinions and actions. The resolution of women’s ordination, while no doubt a very important issue within the Church today, is not the purpose of EdTruth. The purpose and focus of EdTruth is admittedly very narrow – without apology.

The only reason the SECC document is being brought up for discussion in this forum is to point out the dramatic inconsistency in SECC’s actions. It seems like the SECC is well able to address certain issues very rapidly and decidedly. What kind of issue is able to illicit such a dramatic response from the SECC? An attack on a fundamental pillar of faith for the SDA Church at large?

Evidently the SECC does not think it very important to stand up for foundational pillars of the SDA Faith when they are systematically undermined inside its own house – even though it is clearly capable of standing up, very rapidly and very strongly, for those beliefs it evidently does consider to be fundamentally important to defend.

At least its good to know what the SECC does and does not consider to be important beliefs, worthy of vigorous defense, within the SDA Church…

Sean Pitman

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“Religion is Culture; Culture is Religion”

Regarding an article by a friend of mine, Peter Katz, published recently in Spectrum

Hi Peter,

Interesting article. It seems to me, however, that if one’s religion does not transcend culture, on at least some level, then that religion isn’t very useful as a solid or trustworthy basis for any sort of real hope in a bright literal future for us all that also transcends culture…

The reason why I’m a Christian, and a Seventh-day Adventist in particular, is that I think, I am really convinced anyway, that my faith isn’t completely devoid of real empirical scientific evidence that is in fact transcendent beyond cultural biases…

The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they display knowledge.
There is no speech or language
where their voice is not heard.
– Psalms 19:1-3

Sean Pitman

The SECC stands for something

You are criticizing SECC for not working “behind the scenes” before publishing their statement? You do understand what “behind the scenes” means, right? It means you didn’t know about it!

I know several people that were involved in the creation of this statement, and I also know that they personally contacted Doug Batchelor weeks prior to the issuance of this statement to express their disappointment in the tone and scholarship of his sermon. He responded to a couple of them; I will not publicly share what he said, because that exchange was “behind the scenes” and nobody’s business but Batchelor’s and the people he wrote to.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that you’re supporting the idea that it is fine to go public with concerns about the activities of a church employee as long as effort was made to address the problem “behind the scenes”, but without resolution… Is that correct?

If so, then you must also be supportive of the efforts of Educate Truth to increase transparency regarding the promotion of theistic evolution as the true story of origins at LSU for decades now – despite many “behind the scenes” efforts to correct this fundamental undermining of foundational pillars of the SDA Church…

You must also agree then that it does indeed seem rather hypocritical of the SECC to go after Doug Batchelor (a pastor outside of their own conference) so quickly when it has said aboslutely nothing, in any sort of public manner, regarding the proselytizing for theistic evolution by most of the science professors at LSU – right in its own backyard…

Glad to have your support 😉

Sean Pitman

The SECC stands for something

Now, the contrast seems to be obvious to me. It’s okay if we do it but not if you do it!

You hit the nail on the head…

Sean Pitman

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