Comment on Video show LSU undermining church doctrine by Sean Pitman.
Actually, despite informing the top church administration of the ‘facts in the case,’ you and others became impatient and launched an enterprise designed precisely to incite riotous pressure on the administration of this church to your own private ends, which, if you followed your own admonition quoted above, should be left to their own devisings.
It is part of Church policy that individual members who see a problem that is fundamentally undermining the pillars of the Church should sound the warning alarm. This is what we did and are doing.
I fully support your ecclesiastical freedom to operate this site, as I do the right of church members to speak freely, even reexamining ‘present truth’ well prior to the church ‘as an organization’ at some future point adding to or changing or rejecting ‘present truth’ in whatever form.
Your views on “academic freedom” would not a viable organization make. No organization can long afford to pay any and all people to do their own thing independent of the current ideals and goals of the organized body. That is a recipe for chaos and anarchy, not organized movement. There are simply limits to what can be tolerated from the individual while still recognizing that individual as part of the body – especially as a paid representative of the goals and ideals of the body.
I’m sorry, but your comparison of our efforts to support the Church’s own stated pillars of faith as “present truth” to the insanity of David Koresh at Waco comes across as desperate and uninformed. Surely, at the very least, you must agree with the idea that parents, students and the church constituency at large have a right to know what they are really purchasing and supporting with their hard-earned dollars. Surely you support increased transparency from our Church’s and schools? – at the very least?
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
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Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
@Geanna Dane:
I wrote a very nice, very sincere reply to Sean, thanking him for the many positive things he does for the church. There was no anger or sarcasm in the message.
You really don’t see how anyone who has read many of your posts would reasonably interpret much of your reply here (@Geanna Dane) as being the least bit sarcastic?
Anyway, all the best to you. Again, my father remembers you and your family fondly from your time at BMA and wishes you well. I think he even baptized you if I am remembering correctly?
I just want to say before you go that, if nothing else, you certainly got people thinking and talking on this forum. ; )
Sean
Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
@Geanna Dane:
I didn’t say either, Sean.
If you agree that this issue is important and something needs to be done to correct what is being promoted at LSU, promoted as a direct attack on the clearly stated Pillars of SDA Faith, what is your recommendation to solve the problem? I’m very curious to hear what you would recommend…
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
@Inge Anderson:
I think Geanna considers Shane and I to be the divisive ones. She doesn’t seem to consider that perhaps the actions of LSU are divisive. Several LSU professors in both science and religion departments have been in direct long-standing and open rebellion against the stated goals and ideals of the SDA Church. Despite the concerted efforts of many to privately address and turn the course of LSU, there has been strong resistence and even outright denials of the obvious truth of the situation. Yet, Geanna pins the blame for division, not on LSU, but on those who are striving for increased transparency from our schools and to correct the fundamental division that is already there and has been tearing the Church apart for decades…
I’m sorry Geanna, but if you really value the experience you have had in SDA schools, as compared to your public school education, you should be supporting us on this issue – not attacking us for producing increased transparency here. After all, without some sort of resistance to what is taking place in schools of ours like LSU, there would be no school for you to attend that would be significantly better than the secular schools you attended where professors were obviously scornful of your “ludicrous” beliefs in the literal Genesis narrative – to include a literal creation week.
This very same thing has long been taking place at LSU, especially in the upper division science classes. For decades now LSU science professors have openly scoffed at the literal SDA interpretation of the Genesis account – publicly discounting such a nonsense position as equivalent to believing in something like a “flat Earth”…
And you’re attacking us for our efforts to maintain what you admittedly value so much?!
I believe your focus and passion are misplaced…
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
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