Can’t “beat the devil on his own ground”?Recognizing, valuing, and …

Comment on New NAD president: ‘I love you’ doesn’t mean we won’t deal with issues by Ron Stone.

Can’t “beat the devil on his own ground”?Recognizing, valuing, and presenting evidence is the devil’s ground?Why give the devil any ground, much less the high ground?While his generals went on and on bemoaning that the high, middle, and low ground was Bobby Lee’s, General Grant saw it more clearly, and let loose with, “Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault.” Gen. Pitman can be heartily tired of hearing that Evo owns the evidence.The evidence is as much Creation’s as Evo’s.  

Most eloquently stated, Dr. Kime. The idea that one can “prove” or disprove Biblical creation or evolution by referring to scientific evidence” is futile for both sides.

Just look at how this website has turned into people trying to “prove” one side or the other, instead of focusing on our mission, which I still assume is to get the problem of teaching “evolution as fact” resolved at LSU.

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New NAD president: ‘I love you’ doesn’t mean we won’t deal with issues

For those infatuated with the notion that Dr. Pitman become a biology professor at La Sierra University, he has clearly disqualified himself for becoming an SDA employee in any capacity. He actually believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.Who else reading or contributing to this website believes Ellen White was simply wrong when she wrote “the world is now only about six thousand years old.?” (3SG 91.1) Bob Ryan? David Read? Paul Giem? Rich Constantinescu? Roger Seheult? I think folks should come clean about this.  

I think Sean will say she did not mean the actual “physical world” (rocks, dirt, water, etc.) Right Sean? Only the “living” stuff? The idea that we can “age” something by using only our human reasoning seems wrong.

The paralytic had been “paralyzed” for many years, with the subsequent atrophy of tissues that would occur. When Jesus “healed” the paralytic, did the nerves, muscles, and other tissues suddenly become “whole” (normal) immediately. It seems they did–he got up and actually walked away.

However, we have no known scientific explanation of “how” this could occur. When cells, tissues, and organs “heal” it takes time. (Sean, being a pathologist, is an expert at understanding this) More time than “suddenly” is needed. When the people looked at the former paralytic, would his body show the “sudden” healing or be in the phase of gradual healing?

If someone had looked at his muscles and seen the normality, would they have “misinterpreted” the healing as not having “enough time” to take place?


New NAD president: ‘I love you’ doesn’t mean we won’t deal with issues

Dear Ken,
That God is human-centric and has put humans high on His pecking order, to use your vocabulary, is attested by the fact He gave His only beloved Son to redeem them, to use St. John’s vocabulary. Meanwhile, back at LSU….Your alien but never alienated friend,
Wes  

Yes, Dr. Kime, “back at LSU” is absolutely correct. When are we going to actually “get back” to the real subject of this website? Or, maybe I should say, ARE we?!

Trying to “convince” someone to believe Creationism, or prove Creationism by empirical evidence or argument is usually hopeless. People believe generally what they choose to believe. If someone wants to believe God’s Truth, he will. If one wants to believe humanistic philosophy, and reject God’ Truth, there is plenty of “evidence” for that.

In the bible, Jesus and his disciples taught and preached the Truth. They did NOT try to “prove” anything.

Look at some of the professors and administrators at LSU. They’ve studied God’s Truth and Man’s “wisdom.” And, they’ve chosen to believe humanistic philosophy OVER God’s Truth. Despite Sean’s protests, the choice is clear for many.


New NAD president: ‘I love you’ doesn’t mean we won’t deal with issues

The MOST fundamental of Adventisit beliefs is to seek truth, no matter where it is found or where it leads.Sadly, it seems to me that the denomination is about to abandon this most fundamental of principles in favor of “faith” and orthodoxy.
There may be split comming, but which side is committed to truth?  

@Ron Nielsen, So, where does most of your “truth” come from? Human wisdom, cultural beliefs, how you feel? Most of the “orthodoxy” find their truth (and faith)in the Bible.


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Faith: Prof Kent:How do you figure that this site keeps biology profs with integrity out of LSU? Any professor that is following the Bible, supporting creation, and the SDA church has nothing to hide and nothing to fear.When you say “quality” applicants, just how do you judge their credentials?As far as I am concerned, it is far more important that these professors have a firm grasp on the teachings of creation and the teachings of the Bible than any credentials the world can offer. If that had been the criteria used as a guideline for hiring, we wouldn’t be in this mess now. And that goes for all our SDA institutions.

I agree, Faith. However, the type of leadership (Guy,Geraty,and Wisbey)LSU has had over the past two decades shows why we have evolutionists teaching “evolution as fact” at LSU and those supporting any type of creationism being intimidated, both students, and I would suspect faculty as well.

Does the LSU Board even care about this deterioration in our biblical beliefs. Well, their inaction, ineptitude, and apathy in finding any solutions tell me they don’t, at least the majority who control the Board.


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BTW, If you’re a beer or ale drinker, the best are the “darker” and more “robust” varieties, as these have more antioxidants and phytochemical.

Or, you could just eat some oatmeal, barley, or similar whole grain!


Blasphemy of a Different Kind

Shane&#032Hilde: @Ron Stone M.D.: I agree. LSU has not been a shining light for our church. That’s unfortunate. That might be the case for other schools as well.

I have much more knowledge of PUC, and it has as many or more problems as LSU, although these have been, so far, ignored by most. PUC thrives on its “high ratings” from U.S. News and World Report, etc. But, it would get much lower ratings if someone knowledgeable from an SDA rating agency actually did a thorough investigation of the school.


[6/17/11 UPDATE] Two administrators, one biology professor, and one board member resign

Adventist&#032kid: @Ron Stone M.D.:Continue to believe that if you want. Not a scientific sample to say the least, but I just asked roughly 80 high school graduates from this year whether they chose which school they were going to or if their parents did. I didn’t even get ten who said their parents limited their choices or prevented them from going to their first choice.

I’ll continue to believe what I actually see and hear, not some biased opinion from you.


[6/17/11 UPDATE] Two administrators, one biology professor, and one board member resign

David&#032Bee: @Ron Stone M.D.: Tenured professors have a formal protective process before they can be terminated. Both resigned possible from their tenured positions as well.

Do you know this or just a guess? I certainly hope they’re gone from LSU completely!