Comment on NCSE Report: Adventist Education in the Midst of a Sea of Science by Holly Pham.
Bill Sorensen: As a side note. Does anyone know if Hal Holbrook is now a SDA? He was in several secular movies and I assume was not even a Christian at that time.He now is a moderator on issues of creation and the Sabbath and I am sure some of you have seen him on HOPE channel and Amazing Facts doing his series.Let me know what you know.Bill Sorensen
I spoke to a person at a booth (forgot which one) at the ASI convention in Sacramento this past summer about Hal Holbrook, since they had some of his DVD’s about the Sabbath on display. I was told he was hired through his agent for this job. This person told me Holbrook was not SDA. That’s about all I can tell you.
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Why do accrediting bodies have the right to force religious universities to teach what they demand they teach? Is it not a violation of religious freedom to demand that evolution exist as the only exclusive worldview? Why have we given scientists the role of Papel See?
La Sierra is under no demand to teach “evolution as fact” as many other colleges and universities, SDA and non-SDA teach “about evolution” but do not teach it as factual. La Sierra WANTS to teach evolution as fact, and will do anything it can to keep on keeping on teaching it!
NCSE Report: Adventist Education in the Midst of a Sea of Science
@ A Servant, Well stated! Indeed, the FIRST step should be direct, private conversation. I can tell you from personal experience that it usually does not work, and as you stated, further methods must be employed, as Shane, Sean, and the many here have recognized and done.
Sean and Shane are Adventist patriots and will be regarded as heros to the church for their bold and decisive action.
Funny. The majority of the church’s leaders (a number of whom have been vilified by Educate Truth) will never see it this way. Most would agree the 5-year-old bully on a playground is bold and decisive, but hardly representative of the church’s patriots.
So, how many church leaders have you polled to get your results? My guess is not any or very many. Please submit your data, so that we may analyze and verify your conclusion.
I have personally spoken to a number of “Church leaders” including pastors and evangelists. They all said they supported ET, and many read it on a relatively regular basis to see what’s going on.
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David Read: @Sean Pitman: There is certainly documentation somewhere of what the remainder of the bond funds was spent on. I imagine that the University was required by the bond trustee to document the capital projects the money was used on (because the funds could not be used for salaries or ordinary current operation expenses). So this is probably a public document that can be obtained through the freedom of information act.Also, I imagine that this information has been made available to the Board of Trustees and/or constituents, so if you have any contacts in those bodies, ask for the information.Keep digging, because you or Shane will find this information somewhere.
Dave, I agree with you completely. We need to have this investigated by somebody or some SDA group, preferably the GC. But, I do not think anyone there will step up to do it. So, we do need Shane, Sean, or someone.
Charles, I agree with you. But, this type of reasoning is very common among liberals. This past Sabbath on LLBN, John Jones and Ivan Blazen tried to convince Carolyn Thompson that sin is “relative” meaning that something may be a sin to one person, but not to another.
She questioned them, and offered examples, and they stuck to this idea.
That is why I remain open to scientific investigation of the concept of Intelligent Design. In fact, as many of you know, I have advocated for and agreed to support a Chair in Intelligent Design at any Adventist university. Strangely, not a single person has taken me up on the idea. Why?
Your agnostic friend
Ken, No “Chair of Intellegent Design” needs to be started, since our whole philosophy is of Intellegent Creationism. Nobody has taken you up on it because it is not needed. We need to have our SDA institutions supporting all of our beliefs, not just one “Chair”.
By faith you believe in creation and by faith you believe in evolution!!What do you want to place your faith in God or Man?
You are completely correct. Who are we to believe? God? Man’s “wisdom?” Liberals and progressives believe in human wisdom over what God has said.
We see that at La Sierra, very prominently, and they are PROUD of it!
Professor Kent’s Student: Ron Stone said “Well, Prof, I have listened to them, and I disagree completely from your Pollyanna analysis.”I don’t think anyone takes your opinions very seriously. I downloaded the recordings when Shane posted them last week and after listening to them I concur completely with Dr. Kent’s assessment. The conversation was nowher near as disrespectful as your typical comments. Some blog comments from Mary Hilde in 2008 are circulating and they were just as if not more so vulgar and disrespectful.
I have recently been able to hear these recordings, and I was actually shocked at the disparaging remarks and profanity made by these LSU administrators and staff, not only at the GC representatives, but at fellow staff and board members. Are these men typical of the rest of the LSU staff? I would hope not!