Holly, Erv is a member of the club, in fact …

Comment on LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued by Faithful Disciple.

Holly, Erv is a member of the club, in fact he is probably a charter member and Emeritus head of the organization. Larry is a member too. How laughable that he calls himself a conservative. Does he think we are stupid? The club has existed for decades and has tons of members and LSU faculty would constitute a Who’s who of the club’s membership.

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LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued
Holly, that is why the Bible days that the wheat and the rates grow together until the harvest. God separates them. Many of the half-hearted church members will run when the times get tough because they do not have a love of the truth. It will be uncomfortable to be connected to a church that follows God’s true Bible beliefs when the wicked world says do the opposite. The times sure are exciting!

LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued

Wayne A. Martin:
I wonder what would have happened if the chairman of the board had quietly called each of the three men involved in this situation into his office, and tallked with them one by one, about their problems, with a redemptive prospective.Would they have seen their error, repented of their misdeeds, and avoided all this bad publicity?These men might still be loyal workers for the university.ASking them to resign immediately put them on the defensive.What we need is not only regulations to protect our worker’s rights, but our leaders, as well as pastors need training in how to meet situations, both in the church and among employees.We need to try to keep our workers in the straight and narrow way, and not look for an excuse to get rid of them.Often we can salvage workers and help them to become productive.
In this case some workers might have been salvaged and a lot of bad publicity avoided.

Wayne, these men are not just employees that were just a little off base who needed a minor course correction. LSU has arrived at the point where they are after DECADES of apostasy. There has been a concerted effort to take LSU to this place. The problem does not just include the biology department, but also includes the religion department and includes more of our fundamental belief on creation. The average church member who has not been around the Southern and Southeastern California Conferences/La Sierra University doesn’t not realize that we are at the brink of a HUGE problem in the church. The two sides cannot coexist any longer and neither side is going to acquiesce to the other.

LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued


Faith, there is a very sad reality playing out here. This whole problem came to light as a result of the problems with the Department of Biology and its teaching on origins. The discussion has mostly centered around evolution/creation, but are the discussion rounds out and fills in all of the gaps, we find out that this problem is much worse than we first thought. There are problems with professors teaching beliefs contrary to our FB’s, and not just on creation/evolution, but now we find out that they are not good role models because they deny our beliefs on lifestyle. What kind of role models are we sending our children to? AND, now we find out that the church at large mimics what is happening at LSU. We know that by the bloggers that post at this site and on the supposedly SDA sites like Adventist Today and Spectrum that spew hatred at all things SDA.

Certainly we are in the shaking that was predicted by Sister White. The sides are being defined very quickly. The problem is that administrators don’t know what to do. Most administrators don’t want to upset the apple cart, so they do nothing, as they have always done. Other loyal administrators see the immensity of the problem and are not sure how to fix such a huge problem. Certainly some really bad times are coming right around the corner.

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Holly, I believe Erv is an Emeritus Professor of Anthropology from UCR (University of California-Riverside), I don’t think he is a paid employee of the church, either currently, or in the past. He is a thought leader among the liberal “SDA’s” who want to trash our FB’s. He seems to have a total hate for historic, “traditional” SDA beliefs. His whole push is to advance liberal thought and doctrine wherever possible. He is constantly at war with us “fundamentalists.” What a sad situation to be in. He seems to have some huge hang-up.

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Holly, whether anyone has infiltrated our church, I don’t know. I am not a conspiracy theory kind of person. I am not privy to see behind the scenes as God would. All I can says is that we are God’s remnant church, we have Bible-based beliefs, and the likes of professors at LSU in the biology and religion departments, Erv Taylor, Jared Wright, the lib Spectrum crowd, and many others that claim that they are SDA when they are actively against everything SDA and are our greatest opponents. Their actions here and now are enough to convince me what EGW said that former SDA’s will be our worst enemies.

Church says La Sierra Employees Lawsuit is Without Merit
Yes Frank, you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Now does the church administration have the fortitude to get rid of the apostates and replace them with loyal faculty. Sister White saw it and predicted it as you can see in the following quotes. It is as if she was here today watching all of this. ELDERS GRAHAM AND WILSON, PLEASE FINISH THE WORK AND CLEAN UP THIS MESS.

“The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. Who has authority to begin such a movement? We have our Bibles. We have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth?” Ellen G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 1, pages 204, 205.

“The days are fast approaching when there will be great perplexity and confusion. Satan, clothed in angel robes, will deceive, if possible, the very elect. There will be gods many and lords many. Every wind of doctrine will be blowing. Those who have rendered supreme homage to “science falsely so called” will not be the leaders then. Those who have trusted to intellect, genius, or talent will not then stand at the head of rank and file. They did not keep pace with the light. Those who have proved themselves unfaithful will not then be entrusted with the flock. In the last solemn work few great men will be engaged. They are self-sufficient, independent of God, and He cannot use them. The Lord has faithful servants, who in the shaking, testing time will be disclosed to view. There are precious ones now hidden who have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have not had the light which has been shining in a concentrated blaze upon you. But it may be under a rough and uninviting exterior the pure brightness of a genuine Christian character will be revealed. In the day time we look toward heaven but do not see the stars. They are there, fixed in the firmament, but the eye cannot distinguish them. In the night we behold their genuine luster.”

Church says La Sierra Employees Lawsuit is Without Merit
Jeff, I have worked for the church for over 20 years. What does that have to do with anything? Does that give me more or less right to be concerned about the apostasy at LSU?

Church says La Sierra Employees Lawsuit is Without Merit
Holly, why does it not surprise me that Wisby is sitting on the fence? Isn’t that what got us to where we are? Politician administrators who are more concerned about not rocking the boat and who are not willing to stand for what is right even though it is unpopular. What a waste of our money. That is why he needs to leave. He is good at smiling for those photo op pictures that we see in the church magazines and on the website. And he is good at reading out the names of the graduates at graduation, while looking very slick in his cap and gown. But he is a failure at dealing with a wayward biology department, and a religion department that is probably the REAL problem at LSU. Faculty that supported Prop 8 against the church’s FB on marriage, starting and running an M.Div program to compete with Andrews so they can continue to fill the church with very liberal graduates (anyone heard of Jared Wright?) and continue the destruction of our Bible-based doctrines. When are we going to wake up and smell the Postum? This problem is really HUGE! It is not going to be fixed by our little LSU4 resignation band-aid. A ton more difficult, painful work needs to be done to get LSU on the right track. Do we have the intestinal fortitude to REALLY do what is necessary? Or are we going to act all smug that we did something, all the while the anti-SDA liberal “SDA’s” are regrouping to continue their destruction of our beautiful church?