Bill Sorensen: By uniting with the world and partaking of its …

Comment on LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued by Ron.

Bill Sorensen: By uniting with the world and partaking of its spirit,

In this quote, notice how the church members are apostatizing, they are taking on the spirit of the world. Note in the rest of the paragraph what spirit that is, it is the spirit of accusation and persecution. I ask you, who on this web site has had the most gentle spirit, and who has been the subject of hatred and persecution?

“They have not consulted their temporal interests, nor sought to preserve their reputation or their lives.” – Now look, between Bradly and the Church board, who is it that spoke their convictions without consulting their temporal interest ( i.e.their job security) and who was it that sought to preserve their reputation (i.e. doctrinal purity)? How do you think Mrs. White would have responded to the actions the church has taken in this case? Do you really think she would be pleased? (Hint: how did she respond when the church persecuted Jones and Wagner?)

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LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued

Bill Sorensen: we hate EGW.

Bill, I am appalled. I for one have utmost respect for Mrs. White and do everything I can to defend her. I wish you would read her with an open mind, and note what she says about Jesus attitude toward sinners, including the sexually impure, and those who worship pagan gods.

PS. Who did Jesus say that he came to save? Do you have your doctrine right? Are you conservative? Do you have the truth? Do you know right from wrong? Then, I am sorry, Jesus didn’t come to save you.


LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued

Bill Sorensen: it is for the purpose of total subjection of all powers.

Really Bill? Get real.


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Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation

Sean Pitman: No one is demanding that they “get out of the church”. . . . . anti-Adventist views on such a fundamental level.

You don’t see how characterizing a dedicated believer’s understanding of truth as “fundamentally anti-Adventist” would drive them out of the church?

I guess that explains why you don’t see that what you are doing here is fundamentally wrong.


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Professor Kent: Nothing saddens me more than the droves who leave the Church when they learn that many of their cherished beliefs regarding this evidence don’t hold up so well to scrutiny.

I agree. I am sure that Sean and Bob don’t mean to undermine faith in God, but every time they say that it is impossible to believe in God and in science at the same time, I feel like they are telling me that any rational person must give up their belief in God, because belief in God and rationality can’t exist in the same space. Who would want to belong to that kind of a church?


Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation

Sean Pitman: and have little if anything to do with the main point of their prophetic claims

And by analogy, this appears to be a weak point in the creation argument. Who is to decide what the main point is?

It seems entirely possible that in trying to make Gen. 1 too literal, that we are missing the whole point of the story.


Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
Regarding falsifying the existence of God through the miraculous:

While it is true that one can’t falsify the existance of God and the Biblical miracles at a philosophical level, it seems to me that it is possible to falsify it at a practical level. For instance prayer for healing. How many families who pray for a miracle for a loved one in the Intensive Care Unit receive a miracle?

While the answer to that question doesn’t answer the question of the existence of God at a philosophical level, it does answer the question at a practical level. After 36 years of medical practice I can say definitively that at a practical level when it comes to miracles in the ICU, God does not exist. Even if a miracle happens latter today, it wouldn’t be enough to establish an expectation for the future. So at a practicle level it seems it is possible level to falsify the existence od God, or at least prove His nonintervention which seems to me to be pretty much the same thing at a functional level.


Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
@Sean Pitman:
Sean, what is your definition of “Neo-darwinism” as opposed to “Darwinism” as opposed to “evolution”?