Ron D Henderson: Friends, God is not mocked. His advice is not …

Comment on LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued by Greg.

Ron D Henderson: Friends, God is not mocked. His advice is not to go to court in cases like this; and especially when they precipitated the firing by choice. They could have admitted error and pleaded mercy; they did not.

I take it you too favored the church’s onetime mistreatment of women.

I’m troubled by the comments here. This appears to be an issue regarding compliance with civil law. I don’t think any church should be above the law. Not the Catholic Church (whose leaders have molested children), not the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Warren Jeff, the leader, molested children too) or the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I’m not equating the firings to pedophilia, but the laws of the land must be respected.

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LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued
Thank you, Sean. A voice of reason. Well stated.

LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued

Bill Sorensen: It is pure selfishness to demand “your rights” under civil law when you are working for God and His kingdom.

Then it’s okay for a church to screw its employees. Churches are exempt from applicable laws. Churches are excused when they abuse and mistreat their employees.

What kind of Christianity is this? Where do you people come from? I think you’re a bunch of nutcases!

LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued
Look people, it’s okay to fire professors and I think they should be fired if they were teaching against the church or breaking the rules of employment (which the filing brings to question). If you’re going to fire them though, you just have to do it properly and abide by the university’s policies and the rules of the land. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

I don’t want to be misunderstand. I don’t object to the firings if they were justified (I don’t know what was on the recordings). I just object to the way they were fired (breaking the law or not) and the way the situation was handled. As a church we can do better. Much better. We should pray for our leaders.

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Bill, I’m not going to argue with you about the wrong of LSU professors teaching theistic evolution. It’s just plain wrong (if true).

I’ve read enough at this website to believe that the administrators are doing something about the situation. And now the situation is much worse because the administrators apparently overstepped reasonable bounds in doing something (looks like you folks goaded them into this) and now the church is being sued and the public is seeing all our dirty laundry. Are you now praising or condemning the recent firings and the current lawsuit? I get the feeling there is nothing administrators can do to win your approval.

At some point we have to ask whether we have gone too far at this website.

The Reptile King
Jim, you are absolutely correct. Lost cause. In-Christ-my-aching-back. And I can tell by the way the guy writes he is not a product of Southern’s program and knows very little about it. The guys is nothing more than a finely honed put-down artist (as evidenced by his language: “deliberately stating falsehood”, “clueless”, “whining”.)

Of course the guy could prove me wrong by showing ONE publication in a peer reviewed journal by a faculty member in the last 5 or even 10 years. Better yet one with a student coauthor. I’m not sure a Southern student has ever been an author on a paper. Compare that to Andrews, Walla Walla, PUC, and La Sierra, where numerous faculty and students publish, doing real science. My point stands.

The Reptile King
Bob, why don’t you be “in Christ” and apologize for your outright lie calling me a theistic evolutionist.

The Reptile King
If you visit the biology department websites at other Adventist universities you can readily compare the faculty research with Southern. Faculty and students publish together at Andrews, Walla Walla, PUC, and La Sierra. We didn’t get that at Southern. Medicine and creationism are all they really care about.

Several years ago we interviewed two recent graduates from Loma Linda University who were publishing research on birds and snakes but they were rejected only because Dr. Spencer wanted someone who does origins research. We ended up hiring his wife who is an MD. Go figure. And good faculty like Dr. Trimm who wants to do research has no time for it because he is stuck with a heavy teaching load.

The Reptile King
Bob, lots of people claim to do research and they may well obtain data, but until they publish it they have contributed nothing to science. Until it is subjected to peer review and published in a peer-reviewed journal we do not know whether the research was done well. A lot of research is done very poorly.

Ironically, this was taught to us at Southern in the course Introduction to Biological Research. So let me reiterate, none of the factulty are active in science. They don’t do research (that yields anything of substance) or know how to publish.