Lydian, I share your sentiments, the church leadership is not …

Comment on GC document holds LSU professors accountable by Michael.

Lydian, I share your sentiments, the church leadership is not enforcing it’s own policy. The document was approved and voted into effect by the GC Annual Council in 1987 when Elder Neal Wilson was the GC President, since then we have had Robert Folkenberg and Jan Paulsen as GC Presidents and none of them has had the courage to enforce this sensible policy which states,

“It is understood that the disciplining of such a church employee who persists in propagating doctrinal views differing from those of the Church is viewed not as a violation of his freedom, but rather as a necessary protection of the Church’s integrity and identity. There are corporate church rights as well as individual freedoms. The worker’s privileges do not include the license to express views that may injure or destroy the very community that supports and provides for him.”

The tenets of this policy is what Shane, Sean, and most of the contributors to this forum have expressed since the inception of this website. It is plain and simple, it is robbery to be on the church’s payroll and then undermine the organization by teaching something contrary to its fundamental beliefs. If these professors want to be true to their conscience then the best course of action, it seems to me, is for them to take their beliefs and theories elsewhere. No one wants to gag them, they have the right to believe and teach whatever theories they hold dear to their hearts, but certainly not at a Seventh-Day Adventist college or university. To do otherwise is a breach of sacred trust. The secular world will not even tolerate this double standard. Will the General Motors Corporation tolerate an employee who spends his work hours undermining the corporation and promoting its competitors like the Ford Motor Company?.

I hope and pray the churh leadership after this coming GC session will rise up and face this apostasy head on.

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Bill Sorensen, thank you for your insightful comments. It is really sad to see these attacks against the doctrines of GOD’s remnant church from within. Why can’t these people who are trying to water down the standards of the church simply leave and form their own group. I have no problem accepting the creation account as clearly stated in Genesis chapter 1. After all if Jesus by word of mouth brought Lazarus out of the grave, then I have no problem accepting the fact that, he also created this world by word of mouth in SIX literal, contiguous days. Thank you also to Bob Ryan, Ron Stone, Faith, David Read, Shane, and all of you out there who are standing up to this assault from the enemy against the church.

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Alan says:

“So, in my view I fully support La Sierra in trying to take a holistic approach to teaching science and expose its students to the wider scientific truth that opens a discussion between Christian students and those who aren’t about scientific facts that need to be included in today’s SDA educational system. We cannot sit blindly anymore as passive students, but active teachers of the truth. They say that “truth hurts” and I think that this just might be the case in our church.
God expects us all to keep studying His word and His WORLD, not regurgitate the truths we know, but find new ways of understanding and thinking that applies to current world, day, and age.

“Study to show thyself approved…”

Alan you ended your posting with a partial quotation of Paul’s admonition to Timothy, the full text reads, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth”. 2 Timothy 2 : 15. What is TRUTH?. The Jesus says in John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth”. Yes our minds have to be open to accept my revelations BUT only if they are in harmony with the standard bearer, the BIBLE. Jesus promised us that the Holy Spirit, the Comforter will not teach us anything that will contradict his own teaching. We are on dangerous ground if we just open our minds to embrace anything and everything that is out there in the world.

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Erik Mundall says:
“I’m sure you are well-intentioned and sincere, but your meaning is not quite clear in the part I quoted above. I think you are correct, but it sounds almost like you are saying prophetic days can have only one definition, which would be incorrect (and is not what you meant, if I interpret correctly)”.

Erik, sorry if I did not make myself clear from my previous posting. I am not saying prophetic days can have only one definition, not at all. I am aware of all the scriptures that you quoted in your post and I believe them wholeheartedly. My point is that, there is not even a consensus amongst those who teach this erroneous interpretation of Genesis 1 what one DAY stands for, that is, is it 1,000 days or 10,000 days?. My challenge to Professor Geraty was that if be believes one literal day in Genesis 1 means 10,000 days for instance, then by the same logic the spies who went to Cannan would have spent 40 x 10,000 days literally, which according to Numbers 14:34 will translate into 40 x 10,000 years in the wilderness, using a day equals a year prophetic interpretation. Then by the same token 2 Peter 3: 8 which reads, “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”, will translate into 1 x 10,000 days for a thousand x 10,000 years. That is the consistency I was talking about. Is it not absurd? The Genesis account has to be taken literally because it harmonizes with the rest of scripture.

Like I said earlier, this convoluted line of reasoning obviously if embraced, nullifies all the time prophecies in the Bible, the Sabbath and all that this remnant movement stands for. Erik, I hope I have made myself clear.

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Professor Geraty says;
“Christ tells us they will know us by our love, not by our commitment to a seven literal historical, consecutive, contiguous 24-hour day week of creation 6,000 years ago which is NOT in Genesis no matter how much the fundamentalist wing of the church would like to see it there”.

While it is true that the Bible does not define a DAY as a 24-hour period, it certainly defines a DAY as evening+morning according to the Genesis chapter 1, and not a DAY equals 1,000 evenings+1,000 mornings, or 10,000 evenings+10,000 mornings. If Dr. Geraty is rejecting the evening+morning definition of one DAY in Genesis 1, then he has to be intellectually consistent and apply whatever definition of a DAY he chooses to all the time prophecies and any reference to a DAY in the Bible. For example, according to Dr. Geraty’s logic, the children of Israel sending the spies to Canaan for 40 DAYS will translate into 40 (10,000 evenings+10,000 mornings) DAYS or whatever. What an absurdity. This convoluted line of reasoning obviously if embraced, nullifies all the time prophecies in the Bible, the Sabbath and all that this remnant movement stands for. The world church will obviously not stand for this absurd interpretation of scripture so it is about time Dr. Geraty and his cohorts muster the courage and walk away from the SDA church. It seems they are behaving like the proverbial “sheep in wolves clothing” and undermining the church from within.

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Adventist in High School says:
The church’s view on origins is that God created it, as an Adventist, I cannot agree with a mindset that labels incorrect another’s view simply because you are in disagreement with it, which seems to be the gist of this website. The creation week does not have to be taken literally, even my bible teacher concurs to that, and trust me, he’s as conservative as they come. You can believe in creation, if you want to, without being divisive.

As a parent, my advice to this young high school student is; “be careful what you wish for”. It seems to me from your reasoning above that you are on a very slippery slope. Please humble yourself before GOD for him to use you, because it takes faith to believe in the GOD of creation as well as the god of evolution. To me it takes a lot more faith to believe in Drawin’s theory of origins. By the way, can you also tell me if plant life evolved or not. That is, explain to me how the rose plant evolved to become a cedar tree.