Comment on Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism by Shane Hilde.
This statement from the LSU biology department is nothing but misleading and bordering being an outright lie. It boggles my mind how they can claim not to promote the theory of evolution when it’s the only world view that is presented as truth. Absolutely no evidence has been found or presented by LSU that demonstrates that the church’s position is favorably promoted, if at all, in the biology courses taught. Yes, the theory of evolution is discussed, but many times as if it were true. This has been documented for over a year. When the professors believe the theory of evolution is truth and exclude promotion of the biblical world view as being true, then they are in fact promoting the theory of evolution. Unless they can show that they are promoting a recent, literal six-day creation, they are promoting the theory of evolution when they exclude other world views as being “lunatic” like one professor labeled those who believe in the biblical creation.
Keep in mind that many of the biology faculty personally believe in long ages of life on earth and common ancestry. This is not a secret. They also do not believe that Genesis 1 & 2 depicts literal events that occurred in the recent past. This is why we have never seen statements from the department saying we believe and support the church’s position in a recent, literal six-day creation. All they can say is that they believe God the Creator is the source of all life.
This is nothing more than a continuation of LSU’s deceptive advertising practices.
Shane Hilde Also Commented
Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism
@David Kendall, PhD: Former LSU Student was there during the same time as you. In regard to dorm life, I don’t think that was he/she said was particularly unique to LSU. I dormed at WWU and LSU and both were pretty bad. I was on the 5th floor at LSU. I’m sure other floors were better. I don’t recall parties going on though.
Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism
@Brad: No, I actually I got them from Jason Lysle from Answers in Genesis. I’ll have to think about the first line of reasoning you proposed, but I think it’s missing a premise.
In the first argument you gave, it is assumed that space, time, and matter are dependent on the existence of God. If that premise is true, then the conclusion would logically follow.
However, in your example, you’re comparing two humans. Just because we each have a heart does not mean were dependent on each other. I think you were trying to show that and I agree.
You never explained how laws of laws of logic would exist in an evolutionary world view. We know why they exist in a Christian world view–God.
How does a big bang create immaterial, universal, unchanging laws? How about absolute morality? You can’t have absolute morality without God? Anything else is relative.
Laws of logic are immaterial, universal, invariant, abstract entities which govern all possible conceptual relationships. Laws of logic are contingent upon the biblical God. Not because they necessarily share the same qualities, but because if the attributes of the laws of logic existed independent of the existence of God then in one sense they would be God. But all this doesn’t explain how order comes from disorder, law from chaos, logic from irrationality.
Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism
@David Kendall, PhD: Notice he said those who were supportive of creationism. I think all the evolutionists at LSU would call themselves creationists. I know Erv Taylor at AToday does. I could be wrong on this next detail, but wasn’t there some debacle at WWU with McCloskey over his evolutionary views? Does anyone know why he left WWU (Walla Walla University)?
Recent Comments by Shane Hilde
Elder Graham: “Why I Support La Sierra University”
@MLB: The article was written before Ted Wilson was elected. Despite personally knowing his views on creation from conversations with him, I’m disappointed that he’s taken this long to mention them. Perhaps he has published them else where and I am unaware.
I like what he says here:
As constituents of this union, you deserve accurate information.
That’s exactly one of the reasons Educate Truth exists, because LSU is being dishonest about their biology department.
And they are committed to making whatever adjustments might be necessary to provide the best Seventh-day Adventist Christian education possible.
Really? How can he say that when LSU has done absolutely nothing to address what is happening in the biology classroom? Even their attempt with the biology seminar class was a utter failure.
If his his two goals are all we are to expect then the board will have accomplished virtually nothing. There should be more than respect and support for the biblical creation account. It should be taught and promoted.
If anything happens at LSU to address the situation, it would not surprise me if it was because of out side intervention. The Board isn’t addressing anything.
La Sierra University Continues Deceptive Spin Tactics
Maybe the solution is for two streams of thought to be taught: conventional biology and creation science. Allow the existing professors to teach evolution and bring in creation scientists to teach the latter. That way there is no need to fire anybody or sanction LSU.
What do you think of that idea.?
Sean may give his own answer but I would like to jump and share what I think are some key points in regard to your suggestion.
We’re not dealing with preferences, flavors, likes, or dislikes. The SDA Church believes that what the Bible says is the truth. So when when LSU biology professors “only discuss” (new word from LSU) the theory of evolution as the truth, then we have a big problem. Teaching both world views is not the answer, because it is allowing plurality on a foundation issue. If you don’t stand for anything, you stand for nothing and that’s essentially was plurality boils down to.
The theory of evolution should be taught, but not as the truth. We don’t believe it’s the truth so why would we pay professors to teach it as such.
If the professors do not want to be supportive of the Church in this particular issue by promoting the biblical creation account, then there really isn’t any other alternative, but to fire them or ask them to resign.
Andrews University statement on creation
First of all, we’re not asking that the theory evolution not be taught. You have been misinformed on this point. The problem is how it is presented. They teach it as the truth. This is misrepresenting the church’s postion and contradictory to the Bible.
This statement from the LSU biology department is nothing but misleading and bordering being an outright lie. It boggles my mind how they can claim not to promote the theory of evolution when it’s the only world view that is presented as truth. Absolutely no evidence has been found or presented by LSU that demonstrates that the church’s position is favorably promoted, if at all, in the biology courses taught. Yes, the theory of evolution is discussed, but many times as if it were true. This has been documented for over a year. When the professors believe the theory of evolution is truth and exclude promotion of the biblical world view as being true, then they are in fact promoting the theory of evolution. Unless they can show that they are promoting a recent, literal six-day creation, they are promoting the theory of evolution when they exclude other world views as being “lunatic” like one professor labeled those who believe in the biblical creation.
Keep in mind that many of the biology faculty personally believe in long ages of life on earth and common ancestry. This is not a secret. They also do not believe that Genesis 1 & 2 depicts literal events that occurred in the recent past. This is why we have never seen statements from the department saying we believe and support the church’s position in a recent, literal six-day creation. All they can say is that they believe God the Creator is the source of all life.
This is nothing more than a continuation of LSU’s deceptive advertising practices.
Mrs. White: “Don’t send your children to…”
@Adventist in High School: You’re missing the point. The Seventh-day Adventist Church believes that God created the heaven and earth in six days, within the recent past (about 6,000 years). They believe Genesis gives an accurate depiction of this event. So the problem isn’t that our youth are merely being presented with a false theory, it’s that they’re being presented the theory as if it were truth. I would also add that the biblical/church position is not promoted at all, if it’s even mentioned at all.
These professors are taking our money and misrepresenting our faith to hundreds, thousands of students. When an employee finds that he can no longer uphold the beliefs of the institution and teach them properly, he should consider teaching for an institution that is more conducive with his belief system or be fired.
Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
@Marissa Channer: I don’t think you understand the Michigan Conference action. It doesn’t effect you at all unless your parents are employees of the Michigan Conference, but since your dad is employed at LSU, you have nothing to be concerned about.