Comment on Dr. Geraty Affirms the Literal Creation Week? by BobRyan.
Phillip Brantley: Dr. Pitman, you have promoted the prejudice that a person who has strong doubts that the universe was created in six literal, consecutive, and contiguous 24-hour days 6000 years is a theistic evolutionist.
Ok now you have my curiosity awakened — in that unproven and possibly false accusation above.
Please provide a quote of Sean saying that the entire universe is only 6,000 years old.
Apparently you have been watching this board even more closely than I – and I missed it.
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BobRyan said: Fritz Guy has been leading the religion department at LSU for decades and he has come out solidly in favor of T.E.It seems that you will never find an SDA biology department running rogue on the issue of origins without first having the full support of the religion department.The truth is â€“ if LSU admin really wanted to control the biology department â€“ all they had to do was maintain the quality and integrity of the religion department. Failing that â€“ everything else was pretty much innevitable. A case could be made that the religion department has left the biology department â€œholding the bagâ€.in Christ,Bob
Surely someone is noticing that the biology department did not act alone.
Thank you Bob. I know several people who work at La Sierra,and they tell me a very similar story.
Indeed – it is hard to ignore given that the religion department leadership was out there publishing and promoting in favor of evolutionism as well as promoting a few other really wrong-headed ideas.
It it interesting that they do not appear to be willing to step into the light along with the biology department now that the eyes of the church are turned in their direction.
Holly Pham: We seem to have a few in the biology department, but what about the religion dept? The administration? The LSU Board? The other departments? Has anyone actually taken a reliable survey of the La Sierra staff?
Fritz Guy has been leading the religion department at LSU for decades and he has come out solidly in favor of T.E.
It seems that you will never find an SDA biology department running rogue on the issue of origins without first having the full support of the religion department.
The truth is – if LSU admin really wanted to control the biology department – all they had to do was maintain the quality and integrity of the religion department. Failing that – everything else was pretty much innevitable. A case could be made that the religion department has left the biology department “holding the bag”.
If they donâ€™t understand by now, I donâ€™t think they will.
Well I can testify to having been banned from sites like RevivalSermonsOnline for insisting that the conservatives not box themselves into a position that does more harm than good to our 28 Fundamental Beliefs.
So I consider this minor dispute with Al to be very mild by comparison. And I affirm the right of each person to exercise their free will and ignore details in the text if they so choose.
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By definition, I don’t believe in miracles or apocryphal, anthropomorphic stories about same.Why aren’t scientists observing them today if they occur?
Circular argument. If they were naturally occurring we would expect scientists to see that they are still occurring today. If they are singular events caused by an intelligent being – that being would be under no obligation to “keep causing world wide floods” as if “to do it once you must continually do it”. Armstrong went to the moon.. shall we argue that unless he keeps going to the moon so each new generation can see it … then it did not happen?
Your argument is of the form “all eye witness evidence to some event in the past is no evidence at all unless that event keeps repeating itself so we too can witness it”. Seems less than compelling.
“Could it be that science is better able to detect hoaxes and false claims?” As a rule for dismissing every eye witness account in the past – it is less than compelling. (even when that event cannot be repeated)
Evolutionists “claim” that dust, rocks and gas (in sufficient quantity and over sufficient time and a lot of luck) self organized into rabbits via prokaryote-then-eukaryote-then-more-complexity. But such self-organization cannot be “observed” today.
(What is worse – such a sequence cannot even be intelligently manipulated to occur in the lab)
By your own argument then you should not believe in evolution.
Suppose you were at a crime scene … there is a tree limb on the ground and a bullet hole in the victim — “all natural causes”? or is one ‘not natural’? Those who say that nothing can be detected as “not naturally occurring in nature” – because all results, all observations make it appear that every result “naturally occurred without intelligent design” seem to be missing a very big part of “the obvious”.
What just God would allow an innocent child to be born guilty for the sins of a distant ancestor? …What if there was only One Commandment? Do Good. ‘Kant’ see a problem with that.
An atheist point of view is not often found here – but this is interesting.
1. God does not punish babies for what someone else did – but I suppose that is a reductionist option that is not so uncommon among atheists. The “details” of the subject you are commenting on – yet according to you “not reading” – is that humans are born with sinful natures. A “bent” toward evil. That is the first gap right out of the gate between atheism and God’s Word..
2. But still God supernaturally enables “free will” even in that bent scenario, the one that mankind lives in – ever since the free-will choice of the first humans on planet earth – was to cast their lot in with Satan and rebellion..(apparently they wanted to see what a wonderful result that poor choice would create). John 16 “the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin and righteousness and judgment”. And of course “I will draw ALL mankind unto Me” John 12:32. (not “just Christians”). Thus supernatural agency promotes free will in a world that would otherwise be unrestrained in its bent to evil.
3.God says “The wages of sin is death” — so then your “complaint” is essentially “that you exist”. A just and loving God created planet Earth – no death or disease or suffering – a perfect paradise where mankind could live forever … and only one tiny restriction… yet Adam and Eve allowed themselves to be duped by Satan… tossing it all away. The “Just God” scenario could easily just have let them suffer the death sentence they chose. He did not do that… hence “you exist” – to then “complain about it”.
4. Of course you might also complain that Satan exists – and Satan might complain that “you exist”. There is no shortage on planet earth of avenues for complaint. But God steps in – offers salvation to mankind at infinite cost to himself – – and the “Few” of Matthew 7 eventually end up accepting that offer of eternal life. The rest seem to prefer the lake of fire option… sort of like Adam and Eve choosing disease and death over eternal life (without fully appreciating the massive fail in that short-sighted choice).
In any case – this thread is about the logic/reason that should be taken into account when a Christian owned and operated institution chooses to stay faithful to its Christian mission — rather then getting blown about by every wind of doctrine. Why let the alchemy of “wild guessing” be the ‘source of truth’ when we have the Bible?? We really have no excuse for that. As for science – we can be thankful that it has come as far along as it has – but no matter how far back you rewind the clock of our science history – we should always have chosen the Bible over wild guessing.
Perhaps Dr. Pitman would enlighten his readers what on earth “the neo-Darwinian story of origins” might be. Darwin did not address origins.
Origins of what?? the first eukaryote??
Or “origins of mankind”??
Darwin himself claimed that his own false doctrine on origins was totally incompatible with Genesis and that because of this – Genesis must be tossed under a bus.
hint: Genesis is an account of “Origins” as we all know — even though “bacteria” and “amoeba” are terms that don’t show up in the text.
The point remains – Darwin was promoting his own religion on origins totally counter to the Bible doctrine on origins. He himself addresses this point of the two views.
Here we go again.If the footprints upon close examination, are determined not to be from a hominim/hominid, I wonder if Educate Truth (sic) will announce that determination.Or if the date of the surface is determined to be much younger, will there be a notice placed on fundamentalist web-sites.If you believe the answer to these questions are yes, I have a big bridge that I would like to sell you for pennies on the dollar.
Here we go again … hope piled upon hope…no matter the “observations in nature” that disconfirm the classic evolutionary hypothesis
Reminds me of “What we still don’t know” by Martin Reese and Leonard Suskind