BTW, the fact that relatively few SDA progressive are being …

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BTW, the fact that relatively few SDA progressive are being recruited from traditional evangelism efforts means that the greatest effort by progressives MUST be in our schools, which we see at LSU and PUC especially!

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Creation/evolution clash at LSU

BobRyan: Which is how the Pacific Union was able to create the multi-decade LSU experiment in the first place.To some extent PUC and SECC constituency have to step up to the point of sharing the blame. They cannot simply point to unwatched school administrators operating on behalf of an indifferent, dissinterested constituency – as if those administrators deserve all the blame for what takes place in such a context.All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. And that still works even if apathy is the primary driver for “doing nothing”.in Christ,Bob

You’re absolutely correct. We have lots of “good” men and women sitting around doing nothing because of apathy.

However, I do not think “apathy” drives most leaders. Many, such as those at LSU actually believe what they are doing is correct. Progressives believe our SDA Church is too “backward” and “old fashioned” in its thinking and needs to get into the postmodern era. Changing the Church to fit the World is their greatest goal.

You see it at LSU, PUC, and in several of our Conferences here in California. They are a “rogue” element in our Church since the vast majority outside California do not believe their philosophy.

The greatest fear of progressives is that the SDA Church, worldwide, is becoming more “fundamental” and very few “progressives” are being recruited, relative to the conservatives.

Progressive in our SDA Church thrive where our so-called leaders do NOT lead but simply “dialogue” (Jim Pedersen’s phrase) or just ignore what is going on. The ignoring seems very prominent in the LSU Board, SECC, SCC, NCC, and the Pacific Union Conference leadership.

Creation/evolution clash at LSU
@Bill Sorensen, You are absolutely correct about the apathy of most of our SDA Church members. I belong to one of the most “conservative” churches in the Pacific Union Conference. However, the vast majority of the members have no “clue” or even want to have a clue into what’s going on at LSU or anywhere else.

Those who want to infiltrate secular humanist ideas into our Church have much more enthusiam for what they are doing, even thouth they have smaller numbers, since most of the bible-believing members are simply to lazy to get involved.

This simple fact is why the “progrssives” have hope that their ideas will prevail; the opposition will simply roll over or just continue to “dialogue” (Jim Pedersen’s favorite phrase) into eternity!

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