Comment on At La Sierra, Biology Faculty Affirms Importance of Teaching About Creation in Curriculum by Sean Pitman.
LSU Alumnus 1996 probably represents the majority of non-fundamentlist Adventists. May more of them speak up on all SDA web sites to beat back the “voluntarily ignorant” (love that phrase)!
I suppose both of you are indeed fair representatives of those who do not accept more than a handful of the fundamental goals and ideals of the Seventh-day Adventist Church as an organization but still wish to call yourselves “Adventists” anyway for social/cultural reasons.
At least those whom you call the “voluntarily ignorant”[sic] are being consistent with the name of the organization they claim to support. Wouldn’t it be most ironic if those who consider themselves most brilliant turn out to be painfully wrong while those who are supposedly “stupid, ignorant, or insane” in your eyes turn out to be right after all?
At the very least why not be consistent with your name? Why do you want to be part of any organization that is officially so voluntarily ignorant [sic]? You really aren’t and don’t want to be SDAs in any meaningful sense of the word anyway – at least not when it comes to what SDAs supposedly believe as an organization. It seems like you want to change the SDA church into a church that doesn’t remotely resemble anything that SDAs have historically stood for as a unique entity. Rather, you would like to turn the SDA church into a church that is not readily distinguishable from many other non-denominational churches that already exist. In short, you seem to want to destroy all that is really unique and special about Adventism without producing anything else that doesn’t already exist. Or, do I have you two brilliant non-ignorant expert people all wrong?
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
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At La Sierra, Biology Faculty Affirms Importance of Teaching About Creation in Curriculum
@Ervin Taylor:
Much of what is posted on EducateTruth(sic) comes directly out of the world of Alice in Wonderland.
“First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come… But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.”
If a belief in the what the Bible says about about historical realities is like living in Alice’s Wonderland, then so is a belief in the far more fantastic metaphysical claims of the Bible regarding the origin of Jesus, born of God the Father to a virgin woman, raised from the dead after three days, and taken to Heaven to commence with the rest of the Plan of Salvation for those who claim to believe in such fairytale nonsense! – like you!
Why do you claim to live within one Wonderland, full of irrational baseless nonsense, but laugh at those who accept all of what the Wonderland Book has to say about the place?
Again, you simply aren’t being consistent with yourself. You’re trying to fit within two “incommensurate worlds”. It simply doesn’t work… Mr. Hatter.
2 Peter 3:3-6; Isaiah 5:21; Proverbs 26:5; 1 Cor. 1:18
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
At La Sierra, Biology Faculty Affirms Importance of Teaching About Creation in Curriculum
@Ervin Taylor:
Now that Sean has completely aligned himself with the party of the true believer EducateTruthers, there is no longer any question of his true intentions.
I don’t think I’ve ever been coy about my concerns regarding what has been going on at LSU for decades or my intentions to try to use all in my power to try to put an end to the undermining of the Adventist position on origins that has been taking place at LSU for far far too long.
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
At La Sierra, Biology Faculty Affirms Importance of Teaching About Creation in Curriculum
This Adventist Review article is very disturbing – especially where the leaders of our church seem to happily accept the proposal of LSU professors to continue to do what they’ve been doing all along.
The LSU science professors who signed the document are the very same ones who have been the most ardent in promoting mainstream evolutionary theories as the true story of origins while telling their students that the Biblical account is hopelessly out of touch with reality without the input of enormous amounts of incredibly blind faith.
Why then are Dan Jackson, Richardo Graham, and Larry Blackmer so excited about this proposal for LSU science professors to keep doing what they’ve always been doing? – promoting evolutionism as the only empirically-rational scientific conclusion on origins while Biblical creationism is presented as being completely out of touch with empirical reality as a faith-only relic of Adventism and outdated Christianity in general?
Back to square one we go…
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
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