@george: At the risk of seeming to celebrate your leaving …

Comment on The Creator of Time by kime wesley.

@george: At the risk of seeming to celebrate your leaving more avidly and perhaps graciously than your familiar presence and participation, I always feel disposed, when one of our agnostics finally grows weary of going in circles and drawing everybody else into the dreary orbit and decides to move on to other ontological badlands, to bow my head and recite the mizpah, a Biblical farewell peculiarly apt because it was recited at a departure reconciliation of two individuals one of whom had just conned the other in a peculiarly stressful way, whereupon he had reacted in an especially objectionable way. (Genesis 31:49). “The LORD watch between me and thee, when we are absent one from another.” I’d put it in cowtalk, ole pard, but somehow the KJV sounds more poetic. Hope to see you again, friend. Beware of all those tumbleweeds, which, if you squint your eyes, look strangely like busts of Plato rolling and tumbling over each other.
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The Creator of Time
@George: I perceive that your familiar and heretofore endearing agnostic proclamations are being proclaimed with, to my senses, less and less bonhomie and more and more iron-toned ex cathedralese, even while Sean, with preternatural but perhaps with a hint of waning patience, continues to respond with no-nonsense point by point rebuttals.

Accordingly, I have less inclination to respond by repartee, even in cow-talk. Instead of again grappling with their content, I now turn my attention to the existential phenomenon of your proclamations, yours and so many others, constituting, as Old Line SDAs have always expected, a gathering hailstorm of systematic agnosticism-atheism, a strong sign of the end. As our resident ever more refractory agnostic, you are on the winning side of the hailstorm, until the end. Congratulations, pard! I cite for your delectation this web news, a report (in the form of an artificially intelligent novel, such as Voltaire was wont to offer) that your proclamation that there is no need for God is now being technically empowered by artificial intelligence (Link).

But seriously, friend, have a festive artificially Godless day.


The Creator of Time
@george: While you offer Kant and Hume to Sean, you flipped Jiminy Cricket to your pard, and I’ll take what I can get, especially if it detours me down Disney Lane. I forgot to mention Joshua Meador in Walt’s personal stable of artists. OK, back to Hume and Kant, throw in Hegel and now you gone from Disney Lane with me to Didactic Lane for you and Sean, and Lindley. Welcome, Lindley!


The Creator of Time
@george: @george: George, wonderful of you to include, just for me, Jiminy Cricket! (and oh, that luminous female goddess, of uncertain moral but of high morals). Brought back old memories! I’m so old I remember seeing the original first run in full if not mega screen when the nitrate film was fresh and not blotchy, and being delighted with the Disney art, if not his morals, which I admit, I didn’t pay as much attention to as you did. Or even to the goddess – I was that young.

As to Disney art, you no doubt know that he had a stable of really fine artists, who otherwise for livelihood would have had to resort to the WPA. Disney seemed to have a special interest in supporting artists, notably Peter Ellenshaw. I remember once, as a young man, meandering S Lake Street in old Pasadena and happening upon a smallish private gallery displaying 10-20 oil paintings by Peter Ellenshaw, all seascapes that were a-burst with laser sparkles, such as no other seascapist I had ever known had ever thought of much less tried. Most went for coarse rocks and breakers, fog, no sparkle. And nobody since has come close, though, aping him, I’ve tried. Breathtaking! And Charlie Chaplin’s personal pet artist (he was given his own trailer and would accompany Chaplin on location) was Grandville Redmond (incidentally a deaf mute), who, while Chaplin was playing hobos or Hitler, painted poppy-strewn southern California fields when there were only poppies, not freeways. (I’ve never tried to emulate Redmond.)

For art and comedy, Disney of Yore was the best, even better than Wile Coyote and Road Runner; for morals, I was more drawn to Sabbath School felt boards and illustrations of the Ten commandments and Jonah and the whale. Alas, New Generation Disney no longer goes for such morals. He’s got new award-winning ones, such morals as would startle Sartre and de Sade! But, alas again, nowadays it’s precisely the new Disney and ilk, their stables of artists long gone and long dead, that so many, even in sermons, seem to be resorting to for morals, if indeed they bother with such outdated stuff at all. But they retain the New Disney clips. Glad to see you still extract your morals from Old Disney. Me, I’ve advanced, and returned, to the KJV, also the New Living Bible, and the ESV, and of course EGW, and EducateTruth, and CS Lewis, and Plato for kicks – I have acquired a stable of revered resources, like Disney and Chaplin did artists.


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