@Ron: As I’ve mentioned several times before, I’m a young …

Comment on Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull by Sean Pitman.

@Ron:

As I’ve mentioned several times before, I’m a young life creationist, not a young Earth creationist. The material of the Earth, and the universe itself, may be very old indeed. However, life on Earth, to include the fossil record of life, is very young.

With the possible exception that if you believe the natural laws are a manifestation of the ongoing activity of God, then I see evidence of God’s creation in the rock. But if the natural laws operate independent of God, then I don’t.

Again, I’m not talking about the fundamental laws of nature that make it possible for an amorphous rock to exist and to develop its amorphous shape. I’m talking about the origin of the shape itself. Is the shape of an amorphous piece of granite a sign of deliberate intelligence? as compared to the shape of a highly symmetrical polished granite cube measuring 2 meters on each side?

In short, why do you think such a granite cube, if discovered on the surface of Mars by one of our rovers, would cause a news story sensation around the world, while an amorphous granite rock would not?

Another problem I have with this line of reasoning is that you use the admiration of the physicists to prove the existence of God, but then when it comes to scientifically dating the rock, you dismiss them as insane.

Not everything scientists say is true, and not everything they say is false. You have to do some thinking for yourself to know when they are drifting off base because of their own philosophical biases or misconceptions. Scientists are people too, prone to personal and even collective bias, and able to make glaring mistakes because of it…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

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Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull
Consider the following comments from the E.G.. White Estate regarding the origin of disease, suffering and death:

Suffering, other than sickness due to neglect of physical laws, is also caused by Satan and not the deliberate intervention of God. On many occasions she reinforced the teaching of Jesus on this point…

Her teachings regarding the cause of death, as well as suffering, flowed from the big picture of the great controversy between God and Satan:

“It is true that all suffering results from the transgression of God’s law, but this truth had become perverted. Satan, the author of sin and all its results, had led men to look upon disease and death as proceeding from God—as punishment arbitrarily inflicted on account of sin… Sickness, suffering, and death are [the] work of an antagonistic power. Satan is the destroyer; God is the restorer.”

Ellen White, The Desire of Ages, p. 471. and The Ministry of Healing, p. 113

http://www.whiteestate.org/books/mol/Chapt7.html

So, again, neither the Bible nor Mrs. White see diseases, like childhood leukemia, as being the result of a deliberate act or intervention of God…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull
@Ron:

Where talking about the ability to detect the need to invoke intelligent design to explain various phenomena that exist in nature – regardless of if the intelligent agent is God or your wife or some alien from Zorg.

The loaves of bread that Jesus made by Divine power were the obvious result of intelligent design. They looked like regular loaves of bread that your wife might make. No one could tell the difference by looking at them if they were placed side-by-side. Yet, one loaf would have been made by God and the other by your wife. The fact is that God can make what humans can make. What would be obvious, however, is that both loaves of bread required intelligence to produce. In other words, they weren’t the product of mindless process of nature or natural laws that had no access to deliberate intelligence.

In short, just because your wife’s intelligence is “natural” doesn’t mean that all natural processes have access to intelligence or that every natural phenomena requires intelligence to explain beyond the basic non-intelligent laws of nature.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull
@Ron:

So, you think that if God is directly responsible for the death of anyone that He is therefore the direct cause of all sickness, disease, death, and destruction? Every natural disaster is God’s doing? – a miracle of Divine design and creative power?

Do you not see the difference between the miracle of something like Lazarus being raised from the dead and a tornado wiping out an entire town the other day in the Midwest?

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


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