@Ron: Wait a minute. I am pretty sure viruses, parasites, …

Comment on Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull by Sean Pitman.

@Ron:

Wait a minute. I am pretty sure viruses, parasites, and carnivores have genes that are greater than 1000aa.

That’s right.

If God didn’t create them, and evolution can’t create them, how did they come to exist?

If the maker of your car didn’t create the hole in your radiator, how did it get there?

God’s original creation was perfect. There were no parasites or harmful viruses or carnivores. However, as with any complex mechanical system that is not constantly maintained, degenerative, or devolutionary changes, takes place over time.

For example, the bacteria that is responsible for Bubonic Plague (or the Black Death) is Yersinia pestis. The cause of its virulence is a toxin injector known as the Type III Secretory System (TTSS). Did God make the TTSS? Nope. It has recently been discovered that the TTSS system devolved from the fully formed rotary bacterial flagellar motility system. The TTSS system requires only 10 of the 40 or so parts used by the bacterial flagellum.

It is very easy to loose parts via RM/NS. It is another thing entirely to produce parts that were not there to begin with…

You either have to find a reason for a loving God to even allow, let alone create such things, or find a way for them to develop “naturally” whatever that means. You are blaming evolution for something you have spent a lot of energy trying to prove it can’t do.

Not at all. It’s called devolution – a loss of informational complexity from the original idealic state created by God.

And the fact that you acknowledge the existence of these organisms and blame evolution for their existence proves that you infact do believe in evolution despite your denials.

Good try, but de-evolution isn’t quite the same thing as evolution. Devolution is based on the loss of pre-existing functional complexity as originally designed in its perfectly functional state by God. Evolution is based on the gain of novel functional complexity that was never there to begin with.

Devolution is very very common. It is the reason why we all grown old and die. It is the reason why cancer is so common… etc.

Evolution, on the other hand, is relatively uncommon and is limited, when it does occasionally happen, to very very low levels of novel functional complexity.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

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Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull
Consider the following comments from the E.G.. White Estate regarding the origin of disease, suffering and death:

Suffering, other than sickness due to neglect of physical laws, is also caused by Satan and not the deliberate intervention of God. On many occasions she reinforced the teaching of Jesus on this point…

Her teachings regarding the cause of death, as well as suffering, flowed from the big picture of the great controversy between God and Satan:

“It is true that all suffering results from the transgression of God’s law, but this truth had become perverted. Satan, the author of sin and all its results, had led men to look upon disease and death as proceeding from God—as punishment arbitrarily inflicted on account of sin… Sickness, suffering, and death are [the] work of an antagonistic power. Satan is the destroyer; God is the restorer.”

Ellen White, The Desire of Ages, p. 471. and The Ministry of Healing, p. 113

http://www.whiteestate.org/books/mol/Chapt7.html

So, again, neither the Bible nor Mrs. White see diseases, like childhood leukemia, as being the result of a deliberate act or intervention of God…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull
@Ron:

Where talking about the ability to detect the need to invoke intelligent design to explain various phenomena that exist in nature – regardless of if the intelligent agent is God or your wife or some alien from Zorg.

The loaves of bread that Jesus made by Divine power were the obvious result of intelligent design. They looked like regular loaves of bread that your wife might make. No one could tell the difference by looking at them if they were placed side-by-side. Yet, one loaf would have been made by God and the other by your wife. The fact is that God can make what humans can make. What would be obvious, however, is that both loaves of bread required intelligence to produce. In other words, they weren’t the product of mindless process of nature or natural laws that had no access to deliberate intelligence.

In short, just because your wife’s intelligence is “natural” doesn’t mean that all natural processes have access to intelligence or that every natural phenomena requires intelligence to explain beyond the basic non-intelligent laws of nature.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull
@Ron:

So, you think that if God is directly responsible for the death of anyone that He is therefore the direct cause of all sickness, disease, death, and destruction? Every natural disaster is God’s doing? – a miracle of Divine design and creative power?

Do you not see the difference between the miracle of something like Lazarus being raised from the dead and a tornado wiping out an entire town the other day in the Midwest?

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


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