Bob Ryan: As I read the above postings my respect for …

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Bob Ryan:

As I read the above postings my respect for you has deepened. You stand alone, defending the truth against those who are willing to put their soul’s salvation in the hands of infidels. They mock you and try hard to refute you, but they only show that they are willingly blind to the truth.

They put forth as truth statements that are clearly in opposition to the Bible and use twisted logic to support their statements. (i.e. Ron’s statement that the only way God is changeless is in that He changes all the time. Does not the Bible say that He is the same yesterday, today, and forever? How does that support constant change? Only twisted logic could see it that way.)

I really grow weary of the TE’s who take the word of mortal man over the Creator’s word and then claim that they are accepting ‘the evidence’ that ‘science’ comes up with because they are honest. Give me a break. They are deluded–and, again, willfully so.

To be a Christian means to follow Christ. Where do they find any evidence that Christ did not believe in Creation. He was there at the beginning–yet when He was here on earth in person, He never made any statements that the Creation account was all just an entertaining story, did He? If He came to teach us truth, as He did daily throughout the three years of His official ministry, don’t you think He would have told us not to believe the Genesis account if it were not true? He taught in the synagogue. Don’t you think He would have straightened out the record then, if indeed it needed straightened out? I guarantee you that it is an important enough topic that if it needed to be addressed, it would have been.

These ‘scientists’ that are trying to wed evolutionism to Christianity haven’t a leg to stand on. They plainly show where their hearts really are. They believe the idle tales of man rather than the truth written by God’s very own finger in the midst of His law. They are trying to incorporate the lies of Satan into God’s church. Cannot be done. Each person must choose whom they will serve. They cannot serve two masters. It doesn’t take much intellect to figure out why that is.

Satan and his lies are diametrically opposed to God and His Truth. And all the posturing and pretty packaging the TEs try to use will not deceive God’s true people.

These TEs believe the theory of evolution which was developed by man because men who went to university and received some letters after their names from other men have supported this theory. Rather a flimsy foundation to build on, if you ask me.

We believe God because we know we can trust Him to tell us the TRUTH–which He has done in His Word. Anyone who cannot accept God at His word is no follower of His, no matter what they claim. Thus it is impossible to be a Christian and an evolutionist at the same time. IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

The fact that these educated people claim to do this is so ridiculous that it makes me wonder how they can be taken seriously as educated people at all. They are so obviously in error. It doesn’t take much to figure out the incompatiblness of evolution and creation. They need only open their eyes to the truth. In the end it will fullfil the Biblical statement that there is a way that seems right to a man, but the end is death.

Bob, continue to fight with courage, my brother. You stand on solid ground. You have the truth and you will one day be rewarded for your faithful defence of it. God Bless you and keep you.

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Ron: Faith, I am sorry that you find this so distressing. I wish that you could feel confident of God’s love and acceptance, and I wish you could see His wisdom and love in the evolution of his created universe.


I wish you could see the truth instead of subscribing to the evolutionary lie.

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I agree with Sean, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. His truth does not change. However, you seem to be in disagreement with something written in the Seventh-Day Adventists Believe, and I am curious to know what it is. In theory, SDAs believe according to the Bible. While I have never read the book, I would like to know where it seems to you to vary from the Bible. I only believe what is in agreement with the Bible and if there is something in that book with the 28 fundamental beliefs, I want to know about it. Could you enlighten me?

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BobRyan: [Satan] knows that if he can deceive the people who claim to believe present truth, and make them believe that the work the Lord designs for them to do for His people is a removing of the old landmarks, something which they should, with most determined zeal, resist, then he exults over the deception he has led them to believe…


Wow! You surely hit the nail on the head with this post. The whole of it was exactly what is needed regarding this whole issue–Ellen could have penned these passages this morning just for this time. What an awesome God we serve! He had the solution to the whole problem written about a century and a half ago.

If people would only study, hearken, and act as advised, we wouldn’t be here now.

I am just thrilled as I read the quotations you have posted for our benefit. Thank you so much, Bob. It was exactly what I, for one, needed. I was highly discouraged with this mess and I really needed these words to renew my hope.

I know some people think I am too unkind in the posts I write; but it is just this determined resistance to this whole ugly situation that I feel so strongly and want to pass on to others that makes me write as I do. I don’t want to see any lost. I don’t think we should be suffering this heresy to continue to destroy our beloved church from the inside out. As I have said before, I hate the fact that the young minds who are led to believe this evolutionary trash are being led to their eternal destruction.

I can hardly stand the snide smugness that Erv Taylor, Eddie, and their ilk seem to love to add to their posts here. I find it absolutely shocking that man–so weak and flawed–has the temerity to question the Word of our precious Lord and try to rob Him of the glory He so richly deserves in Creating and Redeeming us. How they can, with such determination, work against the God of the Universe–the One who made them, is more than I can take at times.

I almost never signed in to this site tonight–I am so grateful that I did.

God Bless you, Bob Ryan, a million times over.

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There is a massive global conspiracy, Mack. It is called Satan going around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. All your supposed knowledge, if it contradicts in any way, shape, or form, what God stated in the Bible is WRONG. Anyone who is deceived thereby is not wise.

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There has been much discussion on the church and whether or not it will, as an organization, go through to the end. In reading the various posts I have come to the conclusion that we seem to be using different definitions of ‘the end’ and thus are not in agreement on this topic. I would like to clarify, if I may, what I believe concerning the church and the end of time.

I do agree with many of you that there will be a time when the church will not be operating as a physical organization. That will be the time when we are scattered in various hiding places over the earth, or in prison, as the Lord sees fit–and this will happen after the close of probation with the entrance and enforcement of the International Sunday Laws. However, I don’t think that this negates the church being alive to the end. No, we won’t be meeting in churches, or paying our tithes and offerings to the organization just before God comes. But the church–the people and her doctrines–will survive to the end.

In the book Messenger of the Lord by Herbert E Douglass, he points to a statement that E G White made in 1908, “I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.”18

The book goes on to say:

“Revelation 3 depicts no last-day church beyond Laodicea, thus giving hope that some day many of them will repent, overcome, and fulfill God’s plan for the last-day church (Rev. 3:18-21). No other subject for any church-related agenda, either for individuals or institutions, can be more urgent or important to implement.”

My beliefs agree with these statements. We have been given no other counsel to leave the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Since Ellen White was a prophet for the last days–to the very end of time, I think she would have made it crystal clear–abundantly clear–that we would have to leave this church if, indeed, we would. I remember a statement saying to the effect “Stay with the church for she will come into port.” So, I will not be looking for another church.

I do know it is possible for the church to become Babylon. The possiblity exists as long as there is sin on this earth. However, I think that if this is going to happen to the SDA church, it would have been prophesied for us, so that we would be prepared to leave the church. I also realize that new light may yet come to us…but I sincerely doubt that, in the light of the shaking (which is a reformation), we need to worry about this. I fully believe the church will be cleansed to allow the work to be finished. From what Sister Ellen says, those who come into the church will fill the places of the ones who are shaken out. This will happen before probation ends, or else there would be no way anyone could change.

Hopefully this makes my stance more clear on this subject. Sorry if I have misled anyone with my earlier posts.

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And round and round we go.

Professor Kent and Pauluc et al continue to try to force us all to admit to blind faith as the reason for our belief in Creation, and Sean, bless him, conintues to offer proofs for Creation because he knows that there are evidences of the Creator in Creation and we don’t have to take it all on “blind” faith. So…what is behind all this constant strife?

Here’s how I see it.

The professors and other like-minded individuals want us to claim blind faith because then they think they can put Creation into a little box called “Religion” and separate it from the box called “Science” (that’s their opinion, not mine.) This is a vain quest, because it can’t be done. You cannot separate the Creator from His science. You cannot, with any integrity, separate your religion from any part of your life. The only possible reason to try to do this is so you can put forth “proofs” propounded by mere men that don’t mesh with the Bible. This is being double minded…trying to serve God and man…which, of course is, in reality, not serving God at all, because you are basically calling Him a liar.

Don’t you realize that Satan is a masterful deceiver? Don’t you think he can manipulate the evidence to make you draw false conclusions from it? Don’t you realize that there is a perfectly good explanation for it all if it is seen in the correct light?

You see, this is where I feel that some SDA scientists lose their credibility. They have been faced with arguments that may, on the surface, prove evolution. So they begin to question God instead of questioning the evolutionists. Just the fact that if you look at the whole picture you can see that the world is getting worse and worse instead of better and better blows the whole theory of evolution right out of the water.

And why do our SDA scientists go to the world for their wisdom when we have the Bible and SOP to guide us? They are looking for worldly acceptance and acclaim, that’s why. They don’t want to be seen as the “lunatic fringe” who believe in God. They can’t tolerate the jeering of the worldly “scientists.” They perceive that as undermining their credibility and dignity as professional scientists. Well in actual fact, they lose their credibility as both Christians and scientists when they try to marry truth with error.

This is why Professor Kent’s claim to believe in Creation as stated in the Bible is not taken seriously. How can it be when he tries to claim there are no evidences to support Creation? That is simply not true. Sean can, and has, presented many evidences to support Creation. And there are many others out there like Sean that understand the significance of these evidences.

Of course the typical response from the “scientists” is that those who claim there is evidence for Creation are “uneducated”, “ignorant” people who “don’t understand scientific principles.” Yet these are the very people who claim that evolution, an unscientific and unprovable theory, is the answer to human origins. This is unfathomably faulty logic. There is no valid reason why SDA scientists should be promoting evolution in any of its forms.

While I know that there are aspects of God and His Creation that are a mystery to us at this point, and that must be taken on faith, we are not called to base our beliefs on “blind” faith. We have every reason to believe that God speaks the truth to us in His word and that we can rely on His veracity 100% whether or not we have concrete proof that what He claims is true. We have seen, and are seeing daily, prophecies come true. It is absolutely amazing that He could give Nebuchadnezzar a dream that accurately shows the world’s kingdoms right to the end of time. And it has all come to pass as predicted. That in itself should inspire complete confidence in His Word.

So, what it all boils down to is this: Professor Kent and Pauluc, who claim to have faith in God’s Word actually undermine it and Sean, who claims to have no blind faith, actually upholds the faith. Kind of funny, isn’t it?

Happy Sabbath everyone.