But seriously, whether by original-mindless-sin or by mindful-sin — the …

Comment on GC Delegates Vote to Tighten Language of Fundamental #6 on Creation by wesley kime.

But seriously, whether by original-mindless-sin or by mindful-sin — the matter is everlastingly discussed and so familiar but I always forget the latest technical terms employed — is this truly THE “overriding” endtime issue? Is it not true that in “Adam all have sinned,” knowingly or unknowingly? And anyway is it not true that every last person reading THIS blog and hearing this issue, again, is among those who indeed have known the law and the prophets and the gospel and the Word, plus some proprietary embellishments, having heard and having grown up knowing and being taught all that? Can anybody reading this really claim “ignorant sin”? (There are ignorant sinners on this planet, but they don’t read this blog, do they?) And is it not true that the redeemer is Christ, through the Holy Spirit, through the Father? And does it not follow that the proof of His office is creation, which is what He did in the beginning, as well as in what He did when incarnated? And therefore would it not follow that how our belief in creation is worded – to represent the true Word of God – be an overriding issue? An overriding endtime issue? When that gospel, the gospel of redemption and only Christ as redeemer, is given to all the world, then, and only then – is it not true? Is not that an issue? – the end shall come. And maybe even the end of this particular back-and-forth. Well, what IS true is that it’s tough for me to write this without resorting to italics or (not knowing HTML) caps.

wesley kime Also Commented

GC Delegates Vote to Tighten Language of Fundamental #6 on Creation
@Sean Pitman: No, what it comes down to is this: If God, by some failure of memory, had not informed Adam and Eve of the consequences of not eating the apple, and they ate it, would it have been the original Sean or the Sean of ignorance? You may not want to publish this. Which would be a un-venial Sean. Now then, and meanwhile, back to doctrine 6.

GC Delegates Vote to Tighten Language of Fundamental #6 on Creation
@Sean Pitman: I believe this thread started out as a report on the revision of our creation doctrine (#6) by the GC2015, but it has evolved into original sin, again. I just don’t understand evolution.

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