@ Sean Pittman, I don’t expect you to let this one …

Comment on Adventist Review: Pastors Who Don’t Believe by Steve Billiter.

@ Sean Pittman,

I don’t expect you to let this one through, but why not Sean? Do you stand on all of your past writings and posts? I called you a hypocrite and an apostate; so here is your opportunity to prove me wrong. Don’t be afraid of it; be a man and stand up for yourself!

ADVENTIST REVIEW: PASTORS WHO DON’T BELIEVE (http://www.educatetruth.com/featured/adventist-review-pastors-who-dont-believe/)

“Our SDA Church, in particular, should hold these men (and women) to a much higher standard. They simply should not be allowed to continue on in their employment while promoting ideas and concepts that fundamentally counter the pillars of the SDA faith.” (Sean Pittman).

Great article Sean; I couldn’t agree more. However in light of your past statements that have virtually destroyed the gospel, I find that you certainly appear to be quite the hypocrite. These pastors that you speak of are not half the apostate that you are. Your statements excusing Dr. Geraty and this one that says atheists will be in heaven certainly show your true colors don’t they?

“He/she will simply be a very surprised atheist in Heaven someday when God explains who He really is and clear up all their misconceptions and erroneous views about Him and his existence” – Sean Pitman

Dr. Geraty has deliberately rejected the plain statements of God in Genesis Chapters 1 and 2 concerning creation week, yet you provide a convenient excuse for him in your post below which flies in the face of what you profess to be doing with Educate Truth. Make no mistake; NO atheists will be in heaven. What you are doing is mocking God and the Bible by calling Him and His Word a lie.

Sean Pitman says:
May 31, 2010

@Bill Sorensen:
“Dr. Geraty is not ignorant of what he is doing, nor the position he has taken. Nor are others who hold his view as well. Only God knows if and when they can or will repent. But we need not patronize them with the idea they are ignorant and don’t know better. They have abandon the bible, and they well know it.”

“You are stepping into God’s territory here – a very presumptuous move on your part. The only thing you know for sure is that Dr. Geraty has abandoned the SDA interpretation of the Bible – an interpretation which you and I happen to share. However, neither one of us know if Geraty has done this in deliberate rebellion against his conscience. Only God knows Dr. Geraty’s heart.”

“Also, in your suggestion that “no atheists will be in heaven” you shut out some of the greatest servants to humanity that have ever lived. For example, consider Raoul Wallenberg. Wallenberg was a Swedish diplomat who worked in Budapest, Hungary, during World War II to rescue Jews from the Holocaust. He saved tens of thousands of lives at great risk to his own life – a life which he ended up loosing at the end of the War when he was captured by the Russians who executed him (secretly).”


“Despite the fact that Wallenberg sacrificed himself for the welfare of others, even of strangers, he did not have a proper conception of God and was an admitted atheist. I also have friends who are atheists who would not think twice about giving me the shirt off their back if I was in trouble.

Remember, you don’t have to know that God exists or really understand much about Him in order to recognize the working of the Holy Spirit in the heart and following what you know internally is true regarding one’s duty to one’s fellow man. In showing love to one’s brother, especially if that brother is a stranger, one is in fact reflecting a love that only comes from the throne of God. Such a one who reveals no greater love than to lay down his life for his friends, even strangers, will not be refused by God even though he was an “atheist” in this life. He/she will simply be a very surprised atheist in Heaven someday when God explains who He really is and clear up all their misconceptions and erroneous views about Him and his existence.”

“I’m sorry Bill, but you need to realize that the love of God is looking to save as many as will have Him – not to condemn for an honest and sincere lack of knowledge or correct understanding of doctrinal issues. Anyone who would welcome new light if it were understood will be saved. Only those who would only reject all light that could be offered will be lost”.

“You and I simply do not know, in this life, who does and who does not have a heart that is in fact open to God’s light regarding such doctrinal issues – which God will reveal in His own good time. Such moral judgments should therefore be reserved for God alone…”

Sean Pitman

Steve Billiter Also Commented

Adventist Review: Pastors Who Don’t Believe

Steve, Don’t be so hard on Sean. I agree with you about some of his so-called beliefs, and he deletes and censors me constantly when I try to counter his unbiblical statements. However, this website is not about Sean, Shane, or anyone else on this board. We should concentrate on the problems and issues that this site was and is designed to solve.  

I hear you Ron, but how can I take Sean so seriously about his work here on EducateTruth when he actually says atheists will be in heaven? I just don’t buy it. If EducateTruth professes to stand for all the Adventist pillars of faith, then fine; however I’m not seeing that in Sean Pittman’s posts in a few critical areas. Although Ellen White does speak of heathen who will be in the kingdom, it is because they have done the things the Holy Spirit has required, yet they have never heard of Jesus or the Bible. This cannot carry over to or include highly educated atheists who have rejected Christ and the Bible and teach Darwinism.

I will though commend Sean Pittman for his courage and transparency in letting my post come through, because I was quite sure that he would not allow any of it. So I do apologize on that count for doubting him. My hope and prayer for Sean and everyone including me, is that we all gain a deeper understanding of the gospel according to Jesus Christ and that we can all meet under the Tree of Life and praise the Savior who made it possible for us to be there!
God Bless!

“Those whom Christ commends in the judgment may have known little of theology, but they have cherished His principles. Through the influence of the divine Spirit they have been a blessing to those about them. Even among the heathen are those who have cherished the spirit of kindness; before the words of life had fallen upon their ears, they have befriended the missionaries, even ministering to them at the peril of their own lives. Among the heathen are those who worship God ignorantly, those to whom the light is never brought by human instrumentality, yet they will not perish. Though ignorant of the written law of God, they have heard His voice speaking to them in nature, and have done the things that the law required. Their works are evidence that the Holy Spirit has touched their hearts, and they are recognized as the children of God.” {DA 638.2}

Recent Comments by Steve Billiter

Biblical Interpretation and Credibility

Professor Kent: You have listed five supernatural events (virgin birth, resurrection of dead, future life in heaven, Noachian flood, and recent fiat creation of life) that cannot be validated empirically.

@Professor Kent,

There is scientific evidence for the flood, although not for Christs’ Resurrection, or His resurrection of Lazarus, etc. The remains of fossilized fish have been found buried at the tops of the highest mountains on earth–which by far precludes fairly recent climbing expeditions eating the fish, and burying the remains which would leave no time for fossilization. Please see Dr. Vieth’s Lecture # 102, http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/9/Science/ And I quote from the site:

“Science today denies a universal flood, as it would destroy the continuity of the fossil record in the geological column. In this video, evidence for precisely such a universal phenomenon is presented with fascinating video material from modern day catastrophes on a smaller scale.”

Moreover, we need not make Bible study so convoluted by presenting this or that theory which has no bearing on truth, or that just muddies the waters on how we are to understand the Bible. God has granted to each person a measure of faith, and we know that without faith it is impossible to please Him. How do we increase our faith? It is not wholly by considering the scientific evidence or the lack thereof:

Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

So it is by diligent Bible study that our faith increases. We come to God humbly asking Him for understanding–after all, He gave the Word. It is that longing after righteousness and the doing of His will that reveals truth to us:

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

By and large, a secular/scientific education even at some Adventist colleges tends to undermine true faith in the Bible. I know from my own experience as a junior now at the University of Nevada, Reno–that if my own Bible knowledge and faith had not been so strong, then academia would have naturally destroyed what little faith I might have had under different circumstances. Many times I have questioned my present course as to its wisdom (Social Work) but its far to late to turn back. Every semester I deal with un-Biblical teachings in my classes. I’ve seen how Satan has moved on faculty and admn. who know not Jesus to attack me in different ways assaulting my character.

That aside, how can we presume to teach anyone how to understand the Bible without presenting a single Bible/EGW text as support in a comprehensive manner? Is this a denial of the Master? I believe so.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

We don’t need to guess–we don’t need to present speculations and theories, Christ tells us in John 7:17 (and elsewhere) precisely how we are to understand His Word.

God gives light to guide those who honestly desire light and truth; but it is not His purpose to remove all cause for questioning and doubt. He gives sufficient evidence to found faith upon, and then requires men to accept that evidence and exercise faith. {5T 303.1}

He who will study the Bible with a humble and teachable spirit will find it a sure guide, pointing out the way of life with unfailing accuracy. But what does your study of the Bible avail, brethren and sisters, unless you practice the truths it teaches? That holy book contains nothing that is nonessential; nothing is revealed that has not a bearing upon our actual lives. The deeper our love for Jesus, the more highly we shall regard that word as the voice of God directly to us. {5T 303.2}

The Heroic Crusade Redux
As a fledging writer myself still at the University of Nevada Reno, I highly object to the style of writing that Dr. Kime exhibits. While we note he is obviously highly educated and very intelligent to boot, this article reeks of me, me, me, look what I can do, see how clever I can write and spin these matters with my crafty words. I simply prefer a straightforward, no-nonsense style that presents my thesis or argument logically and systematically, while attempting to abide by the rules of good expository writing. Furthermore, his information is not correct concerning the scientific community. [edit]

Many other scientists such as Dr. Walter Vieth (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/9/Science/) lectures on the flaws found in evolution, and on the scientific evidence for creation. The carbon-14 dating system has long been known by many scientists to be flawed—it is based on assumptions. Indeed, considering the scientific evidence, and the Bible evidence, for which a serious study of prophecy proves the Bible true—creationists have the luxury of solid, irrefutable evidence proving creation, while evolutionists must exist on blind faith, assumptions, and lies.

The crux of the matter is this: evolutionists have virtual control of America’s public school system aside from Christian Bible–based schools, and because they have rejected the claims of the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, found in Holy Writ–to simply come to Jesus and have eternal life—they have therefore rejected the entire Bible including the Genesis account. Because they have rejected the truth that will save them, God has given them over to the delusions they love (2Thess. 2:9-11). Through it all, evolutionary scientists have attempted the impossible, which is to apply the human measuring system to understand God’s creation—an impossibility. Sadly, the evolutionary scientific community will continue to suffer the results of misconceptions, false science, assumptions, blind faith, and quite simply, the most abject lies.

Job 11:7 Can you by searching find out God? Can you find out the Almighty to perfection?
Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what can you do? deeper than hell; what can you know?
Job 11:9 The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.

LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued
Are not all professors, faculty and admn. staff SDA church members? I suppose anyone who teaches any form of evolution has no qualms concerning violating some other “selected” Bible concepts that they don’t accept. Once again, the church takes it on the chin;

1Co 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1Co 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1Co 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
1Co 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

My Goal for La Sierra University
“Bradley says he won’t undercut decades of peer reviewed scientific research in the interest of religious consistency.”

“I am not OK with getting up in a science course and saying most science is [b_s_],” he said.

Good article Sean. What I’m hearing from Dr. Bradley is that if given the chance, he will continue to teach the peer-reviewed “false science” as if it were true; and I’m sure he thinks it is true.

No one with Bradley’s beliefs should ever darken the door of a fully tenured (or otherwise) professorial study, much less receive a paycheck from the 7th Day Adventist Church for essentially teaching errors in origins.

Although it is true that Christ died for all of the worlds inhabitants, each person must decide whether he/she will have the Lord reign over the life or not. It was Christ Himself that laid down the foundations of the worlds, creating the earth and all that is in it in 6 literal days, and He rested the 7th. Nothing could be plainer than Genesis 1 and 2.

My suggestion for prof Bradley is to find himself a secular university to teach at–mine will do fine. However, I avoid all such classes and all my science is finished! Evolutionists are well aware of my position when I’ve been in their class.

LA SIERRA: Four resign after recording emerges

Ron Stone M.D.:
@Steve Billiter, Campolo (along with his wife) is also one of the most vocal “gay marriage” and “gay is A-OK” proponents in America.

Ron, I guess that Tony just names his poison that he likes. What does he say about gay’s who do contemplative prayer? Is he trapped?