The term “Christian Agnostic” is actually an oxymoron. What …

Comment on A “Christian Agnostic”? by Faith.

The term “Christian Agnostic” is actually an oxymoron. What it used to be called was sitting on the fence. It indicates that a person is not fully committed to Christianity, nor, for that matter, worldliness; he/she wants their cake and eat it too. But truth and error do not successfully mix. Thus they ascribe to a polluted, toxic theology.

The fact that this man is able to address any Adventist audience with the blessing of the church leaders is appalling. He has been allowed to lead young minds astray for far too long and it needs to be stopped now.

As far as his magazine goes, I personally can’t be bothered with it. It is misrepresenting Adventism entirely…just as Mr. Taylor does personally.

What these fence-sitters are going to find out to their dismay is that all you get from fence-sitting is splinters.

Sooner or later there is only going to be 2 camps…God’s or Satan’s. No one will be on the fence in the end.

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A “Christian Agnostic”?

Michelle: Bob, your like a broken record. You say the same things over and over. And what you say is nothing more than mean spirited put down after put down. Do you not notice that even the ET supporters give you thumbs down? I can’t beleive your still allowed to post here.

Well, Michelle, this post is puzzling. I must observe that your quote was one of the most mean-spirited postings I have seen on this site as of late. Yet you were allowed to post it. Interesting, isn’t it?

Personally, speaking as an Educate Truth-er, I generally agree with Bob’s postings, admire his courage in taking on the opposition, and find that he generally backs up his beliefs with solid proof. That may irritate you, but it is certainly appropriate to this site.

As to the thumbs up and down–if you read above you will notice that such things are generally meaningless. Believe me, Bob and his beliefs are supported on this site, just as Sean’s and Shane’s are.


A “Christian Agnostic”?

ken: “Christian Agnostics (distinct from a Christian who is agnostic) practice a distinct form of agnosticism that applies only to the properties of God. They hold that it is difficult or impossible to be sure of anything beyond the basic tenets of the Christian faith. They believe that God exists, that Jesus has a special relationship with him and is in some way divine, that God should be worshiped and that humans should be compassionate toward one another. This belief system has deep roots in Judaism and the early days of the Church.[3]”

Hi Ken:

“Agnostic Christian” does not just appear to be an oxymoron, it genuinely is–one part of the expression negates the other.

People nowadays seem to think that there are many ways to be saved. That isn’t Biblical; we don’t get to pick door #1, door #2, or door #3, etc. There is only ONE way to be saved and that is through Jesus Christ. He is the one who gave His life on the cross to be the remedy for sin. That is what salvation is all about. That is what it means to be a Christian–to follow Christ–to believe in Him. Agnostism is opposite of that. People who do not understand Christ or the Christian philosphy can write all the definitions they want, but that doesn’t make it the truth.


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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.


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Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.