Eugene, you are filibustering. HOW DOES A SINNER GET …

Comment on Perspectives from alleged LSU students by Stephen Vicaro.

Eugene, you are filibustering. HOW DOES A SINNER GET ATONEMENT FOR HIS/HER SINS?

You speak as though the issues of the origin of sin and the atonement have nothing to do with the creation/evolution debate. This is the Seventh-day Adventist CHURCH. There is ample evidence for creationism. But that evidence has nothing to do with a person’s faith in what God has said in His Word. In fact, if a person’s faith did depend upon evidence, it would be nullified. Faith is trusting God. “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (Hebrews 11:1)

By the way, Gnosticism was the attempted mixture of Judeo-Christian faith with Greek philosophy. It arose in the first century. The Apostles Paul and John dealt with it. Jesus mentioned it also in one of His letters in Revelation 2:15, referenced by the Nicolaitans. The word comes from the Greek, gnosis, meaning knowledge. The Gnostics, like theistic evolutionist (deists), thought that they had a special enlightenment also because of their training in philosophy.

If you reject creationism, you reject sin. If you reject sin, you reject the need for redemption from sin. If humans do not need redemption from sin, then Christ’s death on the cross means nothing to us. Christianity would then be a pointless religion. These issues cannot be ignored. We must either accept Christ as our sacrifice, or reject the whole religion as nonsense. If there were not one thread of evidence for creationism, a person would have to decide whether he/she would believe the Gospel. If you reject the Gospel, then religion is a waste.

If you are embarrassed by Adventism, then throw it away. But do not try to change it.

Honestly, what do politics and the tea party movement have to do with this?

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Doug Carlson, Pastor: Of course, it could be a mutual parasitic relationship between both student and teacher- maybe they need each other. Just something to consider. I am fully aware of the mixed multitude influence upon ancient Israel. That mixed multitude did have influence with Aaron, but they had no influence with God’s real man, Moses.

That is why we need teachers who are like Moses, instead of teachers who are like Aaron. God will stand with teachers who are devoted to Him.

Perspectives from alleged LSU students
Brothers and sisters,

I would like to remind us that this issue is not about rebellious students. It is about rebellious professors. The students are only reflecting the knowledge and attitude of their professors at LSU. This matter could greatly be held in check by firing teachers and pastors who refuse to keep their promise to uphold the beliefs of the SDA church. Get rid of these teachers, then the students will have a chance to learn truth and hopefully take hold of the mission to bring the everlasting gospel to the world.

Perspectives from alleged LSU students

Eugene Shubert: Furthermore, if a chimpanzee were to pound on a keyboard long enough, he could type out—on his very first try—the complete works of Shakespeare without a single spelling error.

O.K. then. Give that a try!

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Video show LSU undermining church doctrine

I believe in creation and I have no iidea what your imaginary circle is and see no relevance whatsoever..

I’m sorry Geanna, but there is no way that your views and arguments reflect that of a creationist!

Video show LSU undermining church doctrine

For years, I have feared that Adventism is intellectually dead. No one has been willing to discuss our lack of scientific evidence for a recent Creation. And, here you are making sure that nothing will change.

Carl, again, we are talking about he Seventh-day Adventist “CHURCH.” We put a higher authority in what God has said, as opposed to what man says. Why do you think that the so called “discoveries” of athiests should be able to persuade Christians to abandon the Bibles clear statements, including the very words of Christ Himself? Should we also believe those same atheists when they tell us, “it is impossible to prove that there is a God, therefore we should assume that He does not exist”? If you want to hang with that crowd then please do! The next thing you might tell us is that God did not know how we came to be!

Student reveals true intent of LSU’s biology seminar class

Were you asleep during this presentation that like Trenchard and Guy FULLY SUPPORTED THE TRADITIONAL BELIEFS OF THE CHURCH? Or did you decide that being highly selective with your examlpses would be more effective to support your claim that LSU is undermining Adventist faith?

I am sorry to say this Geanna, but I think that you were the one who was asleep during those lectures. Those guys spoke right over your head. You completely missed all of the subtleties of their heresy.

Why did you not mention the wonderful lecture by Webster, another religion faculty member who reassured us that every one of the following threats from science to the Adventist church can be met:
1. Threat to propitiation model of atonement – if death is not “the wages of sin”, but necessary to evolution-creation-life, then the whole purpose of salvation is lost. No fall, no Savior.

HOW? Please enlighten us on how these conflicting views, evolutionary origins and the atonement, can be met.

Video show LSU undermining church doctrine

We don’t change our Biblical beliefs on theories based in scientific interpretation. The interpretations change too frequently for that.

If you really find no satisfaction in what the Seventh-day Adventist Church believes, then why are you one? I am certainly NEVER going to join the Masons, the Harry Potter’s Fan Club or the Communist party because I am diametrically opposed to what they stand for. Why would anyone insist on forcing themselves to be a part of an organization that it is fundamentally opposed to at its foundation, and then try to change it? That seems illogical for a group of people who claim to be so logically based.

The SDA Church is founded upon the Bible as the infallible Word of God, the Atonement of Christ as the solution to the death problem that our sins brought upon us, and that God is the Creator of all things Who can make something out of nothing without the necessity of the laps of time. No of these beliefs can cohabitate with theistic evolution.

Carl, please explain to me how we are saved if we are to accept geological interpretations that originated with atheists? Yes, it matters!

Video show LSU undermining church doctrine

Virtually every one of you considers it fact that the speakers are undermining Adventist beliefs. But is your opinion a fact or is it a hypothesis?


I am really trying to understand your view. I mean this as gently as I can possibly state it. It appears that you really don’t know what the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches at all. These professors would not just openly state, “The Bible cannot be trusted” or “Science is superior to the Bible.” However, everything they appear to be standing for undermines what the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy teach about origins.

Geanna, if you understood the original, you would recognize the counterfeit. You have not gotten a Christian education in the Biology department. And according to Fritz Guy’s demonstration you obviously have not gotten a Christian education in the Theology department either. This is not obvious to you because you do not have the foundation of the truth to guide you. I’m afraid my statements will only anger you more. I am sorry that you can’t see through the deception that LSU has fed you.