Comment on Board requests progress reports from LSU administration by Geanna Dane.
“And as I said – if those boas do sprout wings and start soaring with the eagles – we will certainly have an evolutionist’s dreams come true.
My point is that given that this is where the serpents START in the garden of Eden — it is a testimony to the failure of eovolutionism over 6,000 years that the serpents have not yet “Evolved†high enough to get them back to the ability they had to START with.” (Bub Ryan)
With all due respect I’d say yhou completely misunderstand evolution, Bob. No so called evolutionist would say that a snake could “evolve” wings in 6,000 years. Only creationists mak these kinds of statements, and they are strawman argments. Evolutionsts would never believe that 30 species of rattlesnakes can evolve in 6000 yeards. Only creationists have this kind of faith. Could snakes evolve wings in 6,000,000 years? You dont know and none of us do.
I appreciate David Reads amazing honesty on this issue. I attended Adventist schools most my life (tho I’m not enrolled at one now) and I had alot of misinformation all the way up into college. I did have several Adventist professors describe pr some of the problems that creationists cant explain but NONE of them indicated any belief in total evolutionary theory or even theisitic evolution. Maybe those are taught at LSU (I hope not), but I didnt learn those things. When I went to a public university of course I was overwhlemed by evolutionary theory, but the refreshing honesty of Adventist biologists had made me better prepared to deal with these issus. But of course they are quiet. All of us know that any mention of the “E” word is enough to get us sensored if not fired.
So here is my conclusion on the great Adventist deception (David Read’s explanations not withstanding):
THEM (“EVOLUTIONISTS”) – 30 rattlesnakes evolved in about 5 million years (according to another reference I found)
US (“CREATIONISTS”) – 30 rattlesnakes evolved in at most 6,000 years
THat’s almost 1000 times difference! We believe evolution happens 1000 more rapidly than they do (this number is just illustrative and not precise). And we call THEM “evolutionists”? Why is that? Again we have far more extreme views about evolution and it is totally hush-hush in the church. You will NEVER read any of this from Goldstein, Pitman,, Asserchik, or other who make such a huge deal about “evolution” being this evil, illogical, stupid notion advanced by unthinking idiots. If we were honest about labels it should be more like this:
THEM: “ABIOGENETIC GRADUAL-EVOLUTIONISTS”
US: “CREATIONIST EXTREME-EVOLUTIONISTS”
And if we were honest our young people- my friends!!- would be better prepared in the the “real world” when they are forcefully shown some ot the serious flaws in creationism. As it is they believe (ut-oh, they have faith!) in all the misinformation fed to them throughout their education by the church, and them minute they learn somthing wrong they throw it all out the window. How very, very, sad.
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David, I think the one showing most humility would say “I trust that God is telling me some of the truth about our origins, even if I don’t currently understand the means and mechanisms by which the created kinds spread out and diversified into so many different species. I have enough confidence in science and its conclusions to know that the Bible perhaps cannot be taken literally as it reads all of the time; the way many Adventists have read the Bible could be wrong in some regards. Many Adventists have been open to the possibilty of new light and so am I.â€
I know this is’nt what you wanted to hear but its my personal conviction that some level of open mindednes (more so than you gave in your examples) is a necesary part of humility.
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I think Bravus is limiting his conclusions to what we can learn about God through science. I dont think he is including what God revealed to us in the Bible, which is not a scientific document. His main point was that we need more humility and I think God makes this clear him/herself. You know, no matter what he writes some of you guys are awfuly quick to jump all over him..
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Bravus, I totally agree with you!
Recent Comments by Geanna Dane
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Professor Kent, thank you for defending me, but its not really necessary. You have been very kind to me and I have greatly appreciated the way you and your wife so generously share your faith. You have given me added confidence in the Bible and I have a better understanding of how to trust God’s word ahead of science. Thanks to your encouragement I now enjoy attending church more than ever. I have also learned that my personal experience with God is much stronger when I avoid contentious and negative websites like this one. After reading a few posts here I can’t bear the thought of reading more. Makes my stomach turn.
Your friend,
Geanna
Ravi Zacharias: Should Church Members be Held to a Higher Standard?
Wow, a friend gave me a phone call and sure enough, my name has come up here again.
Ken, please understand that you are seeing some of the worst of Adventism at this website. I don’t understand the mean-spirited and snarkey posts that are so common here even from clergy like Pastor Constantinescu. I can forgive their treatment of me and others as I attribute their comments to the impersonal nature of the internet. I strongly suspect that if I were casually chatting with them in the foyer after church they would be very kind and gracious, much like most other church members that I sit down with in the pews each week. I prefer to assume these men are sincere upstanding Christians and so I don’t wish to respond in kind to their remarks.
I actually have family in Michigan and fully intend to sit in on a service by Pastor Constantinescu one day. I will make a point to visit with him personally after the service and he will not know who I am (unless I decide to publicy post my impression afterwards- which I think would be uncharitable of me). He will answer to God how he has treated me and others here, and how he treats people in person. I don’t care to defend myself further. Believe whatever you wish to believe, Ken, but know that Jesus loved his enemies and we should be willing to do the same.
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I don’t think there is anything any of you truly wish to hear from me. It doesn’t matter how nice or agreeable I am, everything gets interpreted from an extreme point of view that I am seldom able to anticipate. If I have misplaced anything, it has been my time spent here. I agree on many issues about the message, but I don’t share the personal vendetta and punitive approach that others articulate here.
I wrote a very nice, very sincere reply to Sean, thanking him for the many positive things he does for the church. There was no anger or sarcasm in the message. I don’t know why it has not been approved for posting yet, but he is welcome to treat and interpret the message as he wishes. I’ve made my peace and I am finished for good.
Good-bye
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Sean,
Thank you for your concerns about the education of Adventist young people and for trying to find solutions to save them from losing their faith. We need them and they need us.
Thank you for attempting to share with Adventists your understanding of the overwhelming evidence that supports our belief in God, the Bible, Genesis, 6 days, 6,000 years, the spirit of prophecy, the nonexistance of the flying spaghetti monster, and the like. It’s refreshing to know that faith is not enough.
Thank you for bringing the importance of “transparency” and “on the church’s dime” to our attention. Your concepts are like manna to the faithful.
Thank you for pointing out individuals and institutions by name, and making clear to us how they continue to undermine the fundamental values and beliefs of our church and how our administrators have utterly failed to correct them. They must surely be a part of the much-anticipated omega apostasy.
Thank you for taking so much time to correct those of us who disagree with you. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.
Thank you for adhering so vigorously to what you believe to be God’s will for your life. We admire your fidelity to your stated positions and family and spiritual values.
Thank you for defending the faith of those who do not understand or agree with your views but still believe in many of the same spiritual truths that you do. We can only hope that they too can find their way to the kingdom of God.
Thank you for being so patient and respectful toward those who hold to different views than you do. Your example will perhaps inspire these individuals in ways that only God can understand.
May God bless you abundantly.
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So, no big deal right? Since most are not affected nothing needs to be done for those that are?
I didn’t say either, Sean. I respectfully pointed out that it was unnecessarily cruel, in my humble opinion, to shut down a university (as some have argued), ship it to Europe (as one individual suggested), or tell parents to send their children elsewhere when so many students have no exposure to the lies and theft that you have diligently brought to our attention and receive blessings from an Adventist college that are very difficult to get from a secular college.
Why is it that I can’t say even one acceptable thing here? No one should object to anything I’ve written in the past few posts above this one. Can’t you simply say, “Thank you Geanna for sharing your experiences and views. You raise some valid points.”
