Comment on La Sierra University Granted Window to Show its Faithfulness to Church’s Creation Belief by Shane Hilde.
Most, if not all, countries legislate morality. In regard to alcohol Ellen White said:
The honor of God, the stability of the nation, the well-being of the community, of the home, and of the individual, demand that every possible effort be made in arousing the people to the evil of intemperance. Soon we shall see the result of this terrible evil as we do not see it now. Who will put forth a determined effort to stay the work of destruction? As yet the contest has hardly begun. Let an army be formed to stop the sale of the drugged liquors that are making men mad. Let the danger from the liquor traffic be made plain and a public sentiment be created that shall demand its prohibition. Let the drink-maddened men be given an opportunity to escape from their thralldom. Let the voice of the nation demand of its lawmakers that a stop be put to this infamous traffic. Liquor Traffic and Prohibition p. 346
I don’t see anything wrong with legislating morality. What shouldn’t be legislated are laws that have to do with our freedom to worship (or not to worship) our God as we see fit. Ultimately, legislated morality doesn’t really change anyone, but it has its purpose.
I’m sure you support the government prohibiting/punishing stealing, murder, adultery, lying under oath, and sex with minors. There are others.
There is no mandate to impose all our beliefs on the public, but in regards to morality it, why not?
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La Sierra University Granted Window to Show its Faithfulness to Church’s Creation Belief
I think it would be more intersting if the conversation steered away from 3SG 90-91.
La Sierra University Granted Window to Show its Faithfulness to Church’s Creation Belief
@La Sierra BIO Student: The initial allegations toward LSU were originally made by students. There have been two student led petitions in the past, 1999 and 2004, that spoke of this issue. Educate Truth was created by a graduate of LSU who took one of the biology classes promoting evolutionary theory as fact.
Could you elaborate on the “half-truths” these students are making in their allegations?
Also, don’t forget that AAA confirmed the allegations just be talking with the professors themselves for three hours. A conversation that should have happened at the beginning.
You’re right though about people needing to go to LSU and see things for themselves. I wish more had done this. Much more would have been revealed about the situation.
La Sierra University Granted Window to Show its Faithfulness to Church’s Creation Belief
This issue is off topic though, so if you’d like to continue discussing it, you can email me.
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ADvindicate has also published an article about LSU and Raul Diaz that expands on a few details.
http://advindicate.com/?p=2625
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@Eddie: The Bible does not specify an age of accountability (to my knowledge), but the Israelites considered the age of 12 to be the turning point. I wouldn’t base a theology off of tradition though. Also, it’s not our place to judge what happens to those who have not been able to make a decision.
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@Blodgett: Was there a comment you’d like to add?
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@David Read: And perhaps not something Christ would do. I can understand your frustration though. I’ve been on the verge of quitting this whole thing many times. I’ve been guilty of letting that frustration control and influence things I shouldn’t have said.
I have to remind myself to look at the big picture. In the end all those who are not supposed to be in the church will be sifted out. I pray I am not one of them.
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I know from talking to a couple of reporters from Press Enterprise and Inside Higher Ed that Randal Wisbey was effective in shutting down communication between any outsiders and the biology faculty. It appears he made himself the only channel of communication between the board and biology faculty.
I emailed Larry Becker about what bylaw the board members broke that was worthy of dismissal, and I have yet to hear a response from him.
I would also note that board members at other universities appear to be free to talk to the faculty.
Another interesting point. He removes three board members for trying to work on the problem and come up with a solution, and then turns around sort of embraces what they’re doing. He can’t publicly condemn it because everyone can see, whether you agree with what they wrote or not, that it’s a significant step for the faculty to be speaking to the church.
Did he forbid the document from being published? No. If you’re really excited about seeing the biology department making advancements in solving the issue, why are you removing the people who are making that happen. He never did anything like that.
What has Wisbey done to address and fix this issue? Nothing. He’s dragged it out, lied about what’s been happening, and told everyone involved to shut up or get in trouble. What on earth is he trying to do?
Who knows, he might even be a part of the underground movement to sever LSU from the church by using WASC as the big hammer. It’s obvious from one former board member, there was interest in using WASC to manipulate the situation.
