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Comment on Are LSU professors breaking the 8th commandment? by Shannon.

If we knew that there were a smooth flow of information to mutate or get from function A to B to C to D and so on then Natural Selection would work. That is why scientists of the old school were so frustrated in their attempts to replace God with logic and science. Then along came Darwin and thought of Natural Selection–it was the driving force powerful enough to possibly overcome Newton’s law of Entropy because there was some Knowledge in the natural world other than God to drive development and evolutionism exploded into mainstream belief.

The problem is scientists are not honest about how functions go from A to B to C to D and so on. Initially it was thought to be a smooth phenotypic progression but we know genetically that is not the case. It is not a smooth and flowing process of simple changes that Natural selection has to choose from. Genetically, it is chasms and cliffs of blind man’s bluff. Gene’s have to completely loose their function in order to obtain a new function for Natural Selection to prefer or select for. As a result, Natural Selection is in effect taken out of the equation–is this not so? Come on, let’s be honest. And without Natural Selection in the equation, evolution has lost it’s driving force. Entropy becomes the key and will take over–these are in essence no more than chemicals that have lost their functional significance and will break down over time.

No one has addressed the issues of why humans would not have a lot of “junk” DNA by now either? Why is it so functional? I mean outside of a Creationist explanation.

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Sean Pitman: Sounds like what you are saying is that natural selection is the driving force to extinction in this situation–correct? Since it is culling out the negative/deleterious. I guess we can say that NS is working in this case but in a way we don’t want. You’d just have to reproduce at a much higher rate in order to offset the current negatives to have enough positives to not kill off the species.


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Bravus: My issue with your argument against detrimental mutation issue is that it takes only 1 point mutation to ruin a whole gene but it may take many steps to get from one functional gene to another functional gene. In other words, all mutations to that gene are detrimental to get it to a point of benefit on the other side. Since natural selection is blind, it would not be able to select for steps between and thus the gene would flounder between and hence “junk” DNA. We used to think that humans had a lot of this. Now estimates are that we have very little from findings of the human genome project. This would not make any sense for a high life form, evolved over eons of time–it would require much “junk” DNA in theory as has been exposed by evolutionists in the past. Now since Natural Selection is blind and cannot select for specific neutral, non-functional genes, the end result is that the detrimental mutation rate has a much high impact than one would expect as natural selection cannot select out beneficial traits at a high rate–it can only kill off the bad ones or allow the neutral ones to survive.

Evolutionists would have you think that the genetics of evolution is this slow gradually changing prototypical structure that natural selection just comes along and chooses the best of the best. However, genetics turns out to be chasms of empty space that natural selection cannot be applied and structures are lost. Entropy would be the most appropriate law in most of these cases and though there are small exceptions to this rule, the gap is hard to recover from as it cannot be done through a selective process but only through blind luck and statistics and they aren’t good–I’ve run the numbers!


Are LSU professors breaking the 8th commandment?
Bravus: It seems that you refuse to read the information presented clearly. The worldwide paleocurrent patterns are obviously implied at taking 1 year to be placed not millions or thousands like stated for the layers. I think you are being a little obtuse here and making any conversation difficult bordering on impossible.

The genetic mutation rate at a detrimental level was not explained clearly by you. Saying that there is a misunderstanding of evolution and it has been debunked. Well, evolution has nothing to do with the science at hand other than the fact that if the rates of detrimental mutations outstrip the good at species with cease to exist over time or at least will not be able to evolve. You say that it has been debunked though–then you should be able to site the sources at least or quickly explain it clearly how that has happened. I would be very interested in knowing. This is something I find important to know but not just off of something you say in passing. I have not found any substantiated proof. Just a bunch of evolutionist like you saying the same thing but no proof.


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Carl and Sean,
Great summary Sean!
Carl, I do not think that Sean’s point is that he was trying to prove 6000-10,000 years. He was trying to decided which was more tenable–the traditional Biblical understanding of Genesis or the more Evolutionary from a Scientific perspective. Given the evidence, he feels that the weight is further from the ultra long–both take as certain amount of faith in the end. You just start with having to decide between the 2 ideas–Short or really long–I don’t think that there is a third choice religiously or scientifically out there at this moment.

My feeling is that it is always going to be nice to see some evidence but in the end, you will have to decide in faith. That is what you will do with the science or with the religion. Right at this time, I think we are all going to have to chose if we are going to make a religion out of science or not. If not, I think we better stick with what the Bible says and it is pretty straight forward to me. Then, it will always be nice to get a little back up from the science but we don’t have to.

Sincerely,

Shannon

PS–The Bible advises not to sleep with your neighbor’s wife. If society said otherwise, and 99.9% of experts said it was okay, would you do it? Some things we just will get wrong.


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Shane: Thank you. You comment was better worded than I could have explained.


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Michael: When you become an apostle or prophet–you can write letters–long ones– of discipline with strong language even as necessary. A lot of people use this as the norm to be able to talk to strangers and acquaintances the same way they would discipline their children when they have not established any status for this or knowledge for the other party to base any ability to judge or respect. More than likely the other will react negatively. This is not the case for the majority of us and will not be. When or if you obtain leadership in our church this may change for you but until that time you may not be able to instruct as such. The funny thing about the internet is that there is no way of telling as I said before so you have to assume the other person has no idea so the best to do is act as such with kindness and explanation.

Examples: “Where do I begin?” “poor bible student and quite ignorant of church history.” “Really?”

Maybe, maybe you were just being just a little defensive. Do you think the evolutionists will go any easier on you? Especially if you are trying to tell them they are of the devil.

Your quote of Timothy with exposure of sin before the church to reduce the chance of having it happen again–how would you go about that if you were in charge. I know a personal friend that had that happen to them–they left the church for many years–they were brought before the church and asked to confess their sin before the whole congregation at church. Yes, it was a sin. There was no 2 ways about it. So in front of a church filled with people a 16 year old girl told how she got pregnant out of wedlock! It is this type of misinterpretation of scripture that hurts people, their understanding of God and our church! Sin has to be handled and removed correctly–a leader should have the responsibility to confess to the church a public issue or sin. A 16 year old with a private sin may best need to deal with a few people at a time and specifically confess and ask forgiveness to the family she lives with and maybe the one of her significant relationship.


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Justin: You are obviously biased. I’m sorry you see it that way. I did use the Bible and did not insinuate that Micheal did not know what he was talking about. I’m glad you are happy about being right though. It is nice to feel that way. . . .


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Michael: You have no idea who I am or what my education is. The internet on a discussion site is no place for long explanations and arguments. Basic quotes and beliefs are simple for explanation or understanding. More will not get the job done in this format. Making judgments as to education and ignorance is usually comparative and not too accurate. My statements were made on the other hand off of your ongoing aggressive and demeaning use of wordage in our discussion and discussion with others that don’t happen to agree with you.

You may find that the world will all be much less smart that you if you use agreement with you as the criteria. There are a lot of people that use this as a criteria by the way and I have been treated badly by many of them. Some of them are probably much smarter that you and me put together. Just because of that does not make them right or any more believable.

Respect truly comes as a result of the ability to be respected.