Carl and Bravus are trying desperately hard to find justification …

Comment on Are LSU professors breaking the 8th commandment? by Jonathan Smith.

Carl and Bravus are trying desperately hard to find justification for holding on to the religion of evolution. It is rather sad and disappointing that these men (at least Bravus) attended SDA schools and pretend that they are believers in God.

What they must come to face with is that no matter the alleged evidence in favour of evolution, it contradicts the word of God and thus they have arrived at a crossroads. Here they do not run side by side by veer sharply in different directions. The two cannot be followed unless the person evolves into a many bodied organism.

It is also sad that Bravus believes in natural selection (NS). NS is simply a hand waving sleight of hand trick like the hocus pocus of a three card man to distract the audience from the empty and unrealistic promises of their faith.

When you read about the great unity and agreement, which exists among the scientists regarding evolution, don’t believe a word of it. Each one is busily experimenting with new speculative possibilities as to how the changes took place and then abandoning them, as they appear more and more ridiculous. The one basic tenet they do agree on is that there was no divine fiat creation as described in the Bible.

Ask these questions about natural selection: What is the evidence that it can actually reproduce all the changes involved in the transition from amoeba [monad] to man? Is there scientific proof that it can even make one small change? When it comes right down to answering those questions, the spokesmen for evolution do some of the fanciest footwork in semantics you ever saw and make some of the most amazing admissions. Even though Simpson supports natural selection as a factor, he recognizes the scarcity of evidence in these words:

“It might be argued that the theory is quite unsubstantiated and has status only as a speculation.” Major Features, pp. 118, 119.

But listen to Huxley’s circular reasoning on it. He says:

“On the basis of our present knowledge natural selection is bound to produce genetic adaptations: and genetic adaptations are thus presumptive evidence for the efficiency of natural selection.” Evolution in Action, p. 48.

Did you follow that gem of logic? His proof for natural selection is adaptation or change in the organism, but the change is produced by natural selection! In other words: A–>B; therefore B–>A. His “proof” proves nothing. Were the changes produced by natural selection, or did he invent natural selection to explain the changes? It is just as likely that the changes produced the natural selection theory. The ludicrous thing is that even the changes from species to species have never been verified. As it has been shown already, there is not one shred of fossil evidence or living evidence that any species has changed into another. (Museums are filled with manmade lies.) So Huxley’s proofs for natural selection are changes, which never happened, and the changes, which never happened, are offered as proof for natural selection. Surely this is the most vacuous logic to be found in a science textbook.

Myth, speculation, hoax, magic, rubbish, garbage ar good words to use in exchange for macro evolution.

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Are LSU professors breaking the 8th commandment?
From the Sabbath School Quarterly

Read Numbers 25:6–18. How do we understand what was going on here? What lessons can we take away from this story?

[This is the story of the whoredoms Israel had with the Midianite women at Peor where they even bowed down to worship false gods.] Continuing the extract:

Though the text doesn’t come out and explicitly say it, one could read into the text that the Israelite man, Zimri, was having a sexual relationship with the woman when Phinehas came into the tent and thrust his javelin through them both. However harsh all this might seem, think about the circumstances. The whole camp is weeping and pleading with the Lord because of what was happening, and this man—so audacious and open in his sin—brings this Midianite woman into the camp before all of them and then takes her into the tent and has sexual relations with her. All the while a plague is ravaging the camp! What made it even worse was that Zimri came from a house of princes; that is, he was part of royal stock and thus should have known better. He must have been so deceived, so consumed with lust, that the sight of the camp weeping before the tabernacle didn’t slow him down at all.

All through the Bible, we see examples of how sin clouds the reasoning powers and leads people to do some of the most unthinking and irrational things. Think of Cain, of David with Bathsheba, of Judas betraying Jesus. No wonder the Bible, time and again, warns us against sin. It’s not that God can’t forgive our sin; it’s that the sin can so warp us that we can get to the point that we don’t even see it as sin any longer.

What is the relevance? There are some today who are “princes” in Israel: like college professors, pastors, conference and union officials )eg presidents).

Yet these people are so deceived that they engage in daring exploits in the very face of the congregation and believe that they should be accepted. People like Whisby, Greer, Bradley, Carl and Bravus openly flaunt their whoredoms with evolution and expect that they should be accepted and remain in princely positions. They want to be teachers in Israel and claim to be teaching the things of God but instead they are joined to Baalpeor.

I am willing to come out and say, unlike many will indeed, that these college trained SDAs especially, who should be teaching the things of God to the people, have left God and joined with Baalpeor.

And like Zimri they have no shame, being boldfaced in their rebellion and expect the congregation to be thrilled by their daring. Yet there is one omnipotent One, who neither slumbers nor sleeps, who takes faithful records, with unerring precision, who will call them one day to account.

Their recompence, like Zimri, will be their destruction and how sad it will be, when they could have been saved.


Are LSU professors breaking the 8th commandment?
@Carl: Carl,

You have not gotten it, you have lingered too long at the forbidden tree. Please read this carefully and answer these questions. The assumption is that you believe that both God and Satan exist.

1) Can God be trusted?
2) Are you or any person smarter than God?
3) Can Satan be trusted?
4) Are you or any person on earth smarter than Satan?
5) Can Satan deceive people? Hint! Revelation 12:9
6) Did Satan deceive one-third of the angels?
7) Did Satan deceive sinless Eve?
8 ) Can Satan tamper with evidence and with nature? (Ask Job)
9) What did Eve aspire for in Genesis 3:6? (name 3 things and focus on the third)
10) In Romans 1:22 what is the description of those who profess the third?

In light of these 10 thoughts, can you say that simply because you “see” or “heard” or “read” of convincing evidence for an old earth and for evolution, that it is possible for you and others of like bent to be deceived?

a) How should we conduct ourselves (2 Corinthians 5:7 KJV)?
b) What happens if we do not follow 2 Cor 5:7? (Read Heb 11:6, 3)

In summary, the many Christians who have been seduced at the tree of knowledge of good and evil flattered themselves that they can find something that goes beyond the word of God. Either by pride, pursuit of self exaltation, hero worship of the outstanding or whatever else the motive, many who should be praising God for His wondrous works and His dealings with us are rejecting His pure and unambiguous statements. Thus the servant of the Lord was instructed to call it the worst kind of infidelity. It seems akin to witchcraft and idolatry of the kind the ante-deluvians participated in before the flood.

It is my sincere advice that you and Bravus and company humble yourselves in the sight of God and confess to Him that you had gone too far and now you are prepared to follow His word implicitly, without straining it to support man’s rebellious theories. He will be sure to forgive!


Are LSU professors breaking the 8th commandment?
@Ariel A. Roth: Thank you Dr. Roth. I am glad you are able to read and respond to these important matters.

Having received your PhD in biology from a highly rated university (Michigan) no one can accuse you of inadequate credentials. And having studied further in the University of California system, you are well able to hold your own with some “scientists” who are likely to pour scorn on those associated with Bible colleges.

I am also glad that your work is not restricted to creationist journals and so I respect your analysis above those who lurk under assumed monikers and pseudonyms and dare not stand up for what they believe.

Your input is highly appreciated and perhaps those who are wont to quote you without verification will now reconsider the error of their ways.

Perhaps you may be able to answer this question:

What is the probability that the various systems in the human body (nervous, respiratory, digestive, skeletal, circulatory, Immune, Excretory, Urinary, Muscular, Endocrine and Reproductive) evolved in the manner of evolutionary lore and yet end up mutually dependent?

That is, since the body cannot survive without any of these systems, how plausible is it that they can even evolve, rather than being in place at the very beginning of life?


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Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

There are some who object to privately recorded conversations being used in this manner (like the Spectrum blog) but could it be that God is causing judgment on unacceptable behaviour?


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Marilyn Bauer:
I stand in support of Educate Truth and its efforts to maintain integrity on an SDA campus of higher education. “Once to every man and nation (university) comes the moment to decide, in the strife of truth and falsehood, for the good or evil side.”Our church history shows that we have had to watch church institutions (Battle Creek San and Hospital) leave the sisterhood of institutions due to false teachings by its leadership. We should not be surprised if the cost of fidelity to truth has a price. Politically, we know that freedom has a price. Spiritually, fidelity to truth has a price.

I regret that Shane is coming under attack for having the courage to keep the light burning for doctrinal truth in Adventist education. We have long purported the idea of integration of faith and learning. Why would we want to excuse a science department who moves away from the “faith” aspect of its discipline?

All those who decide to live a Biblically faithful life shall suffer persecution.


[6/17/11 UPDATE] Two administrators, one biology professor, and one board member resign
Casey,
You ought to grow up. I don’t see how Educate Truth can cause anybody to be fired. After all, it does not pay salaries and it is not a decision maker at all. Educate Truth has only been a commentator.

If the university Chair said the issues with the bio dept are not the factors, then you should take up your beef with the chair and indeed ask him for the explanations. It is rather small of you to attack Hilde and his blog at a time like this.

If at anytime in the future there is evidence (not speculation) to support your claim, THEN you may rant and rail. Yet, you apparently have no idea what it means to be faithful to the Bible and you either accept evolution as fact or saw no conflict with what the professors taught.

If at all you consider yourself a Christian, I hope you recognise that faithfulness to Bible truths is more important than worldly honour and all will have to give an account for their actions later. I think Educate Truth has tried to be faithful to the Bible contrary to some professed Christians.


Former LSU student letter reveals professor’s agenda
Where men refused to deal with the apostates, those in charge will be accounted as guilty.

In the great reckoning to come they will pay.

I am glad this lady had the courage to speak and write. The evidence is plain for all to see.