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Comment on Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict by Michael.

Shawnindo says;

“I am truly disappointed by the actions of Jay Gallimore and the comments of the so called Christians on this page. Your harsh judgement of one of our universities has once again shown that you are the hand that chokes your own neck. There are good Christian people that attend LSU, and by turning your back on them you have proven that our radical fundamentalism had done nothing but put a schism in our church”.

My brother or Sister, you are talking about SCHISM in the church but where have you been in the last 20 years?. The GC sessions in 1990 and 1995, voted not to ordain women as Pastors, but the Southeastern California Conference decided to do otherwise, and that decison did not bring SCHISM in the church, therefore this issue will not split the church of GOD either. Those of us who have passionately voiced our opposition to this apostasy at LSU do not claim to be ‘HOLIER THAN THOU’ and ‘SINLESS’. We are all sinners in need of the LORD’s saving grace. The issue of theistic evolution strikes at the core of everything that this remnant movement stands for. If GOD did not create this world in six literal days then why observe the Sabbath, and if GOD is not powerful enough to speak this world into existence like the Bible says, then how can he recreate sinful human beings upon his return, as pronounced by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53 “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality”.

This problem at LSU has been going on for decades and the school’s administration has just refused to yield to the appeals of the world church. How long should we look the other way when precious young men and women are being led astray through this sophistry of the enemy. The eternal lives of these impressionable young students at LSU are too precious to be sacrificed on the altar of theistic evolution. We will not keep quiet just because people like you will brand us as being judgemental. The alarm bells have to be sounded to warn the flock, else the LORD will hold us accountable, for he has appointed each one of us as a watchman over ZION.

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Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
Alan says:

“So, in my view I fully support La Sierra in trying to take a holistic approach to teaching science and expose its students to the wider scientific truth that opens a discussion between Christian students and those who aren’t about scientific facts that need to be included in today’s SDA educational system. We cannot sit blindly anymore as passive students, but active teachers of the truth. They say that “truth hurts” and I think that this just might be the case in our church.
God expects us all to keep studying His word and His WORLD, not regurgitate the truths we know, but find new ways of understanding and thinking that applies to current world, day, and age.

“Study to show thyself approved…”

Alan you ended your posting with a partial quotation of Paul’s admonition to Timothy, the full text reads, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth”. 2 Timothy 2 : 15. What is TRUTH?. The Jesus says in John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth”. Yes our minds have to be open to accept my revelations BUT only if they are in harmony with the standard bearer, the BIBLE. Jesus promised us that the Holy Spirit, the Comforter will not teach us anything that will contradict his own teaching. We are on dangerous ground if we just open our minds to embrace anything and everything that is out there in the world.

Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
A former Seventh-day Adventist says: “I was a Seventh-day Adventist for 50 years. When I found that I could not believe in all the fundamentals, I politely left. I think that any individual, teacher, pastor, or institution that cannot believe in Ellen White, the 2300 years, 1844, a literal creation, or whatever else the church stands for, should not insist on being part of the organization. To me it was a matter of integrity not to pretend to be something I was not”.

My dear former SDA member, I salute you for your honesty and integrity, for leaving the church when you could no longer reconcile your beliefs with the teachings of the church. I heard Clifford Goldstein declare at the last GYC that he is a Seventh-Day Adventist because of the doctrines, I fully agree with Elder Goldstein. I also joined the church for the same reason, the doctrines, which are plain, simple, bible based and Christ centered.

To all those who reject the literal seven-day creation week like Professor Geraty, I want to appeal to you to be true to your convictions and do the most honorable thing, that is leave the church and stop calling yourselves Seventh-Day Adventists.

Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
Larry Geraty says;
“Christ tells us they will know us by our love, not by our commitment to a seven literal historical, consecutive, contiguous 24-hour day week of creation 6,000 years ago which is NOT in Genesis no matter how much the fundamentalist wing of the church would like to see it there”.

Hello Professor Geraty, you should have also quoted the others admonitions of CHRIST. Yes we should love others but that does not negate our obligation to obey CHRIST and keep his commandments. After all, he says, in Matthew 5: 18 “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” and in Matthew 7: 21-23, Jesus says, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity”. The Psalmist tells us that GOD has exalted his word above his name. The LORD says he changest not and will not retract anything that comes out of his mouth, and the according to Exodus chapter 20, he spoke all the commandments, then wrote the law and handed the two tablets of stone to his Prophet Moses. Therefore loving others and throwing away his explicit command to obey him and keep his law will not save us. He says in John 14: 15, “If ye love me, keep my commandments”, that includes the Sabbath commandment, a literal 24-hour day. If you reject “a seven literal historical, consecutive, contiguous 24-hour day week of creation 6,000 years ago”, which is affirmed by the Spirit of Prophecy, then why do you call yourself a Seventh-Day Adventist?.

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Bill Sorensen, thank you for your insightful comments. It is really sad to see these attacks against the doctrines of GOD’s remnant church from within. Why can’t these people who are trying to water down the standards of the church simply leave and form their own group. I have no problem accepting the creation account as clearly stated in Genesis chapter 1. After all if Jesus by word of mouth brought Lazarus out of the grave, then I have no problem accepting the fact that, he also created this world by word of mouth in SIX literal, contiguous days. Thank you also to Bob Ryan, Ron Stone, Faith, David Read, Shane, and all of you out there who are standing up to this assault from the enemy against the church.

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Erik Mundall says:
“I’m sure you are well-intentioned and sincere, but your meaning is not quite clear in the part I quoted above. I think you are correct, but it sounds almost like you are saying prophetic days can have only one definition, which would be incorrect (and is not what you meant, if I interpret correctly)”.

Erik, sorry if I did not make myself clear from my previous posting. I am not saying prophetic days can have only one definition, not at all. I am aware of all the scriptures that you quoted in your post and I believe them wholeheartedly. My point is that, there is not even a consensus amongst those who teach this erroneous interpretation of Genesis 1 what one DAY stands for, that is, is it 1,000 days or 10,000 days?. My challenge to Professor Geraty was that if be believes one literal day in Genesis 1 means 10,000 days for instance, then by the same logic the spies who went to Cannan would have spent 40 x 10,000 days literally, which according to Numbers 14:34 will translate into 40 x 10,000 years in the wilderness, using a day equals a year prophetic interpretation. Then by the same token 2 Peter 3: 8 which reads, “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”, will translate into 1 x 10,000 days for a thousand x 10,000 years. That is the consistency I was talking about. Is it not absurd? The Genesis account has to be taken literally because it harmonizes with the rest of scripture.

Like I said earlier, this convoluted line of reasoning obviously if embraced, nullifies all the time prophecies in the Bible, the Sabbath and all that this remnant movement stands for. Erik, I hope I have made myself clear.

Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism
Professor Geraty says;
“Christ tells us they will know us by our love, not by our commitment to a seven literal historical, consecutive, contiguous 24-hour day week of creation 6,000 years ago which is NOT in Genesis no matter how much the fundamentalist wing of the church would like to see it there”.

While it is true that the Bible does not define a DAY as a 24-hour period, it certainly defines a DAY as evening+morning according to the Genesis chapter 1, and not a DAY equals 1,000 evenings+1,000 mornings, or 10,000 evenings+10,000 mornings. If Dr. Geraty is rejecting the evening+morning definition of one DAY in Genesis 1, then he has to be intellectually consistent and apply whatever definition of a DAY he chooses to all the time prophecies and any reference to a DAY in the Bible. For example, according to Dr. Geraty’s logic, the children of Israel sending the spies to Canaan for 40 DAYS will translate into 40 (10,000 evenings+10,000 mornings) DAYS or whatever. What an absurdity. This convoluted line of reasoning obviously if embraced, nullifies all the time prophecies in the Bible, the Sabbath and all that this remnant movement stands for. The world church will obviously not stand for this absurd interpretation of scripture so it is about time Dr. Geraty and his cohorts muster the courage and walk away from the SDA church. It seems they are behaving like the proverbial “sheep in wolves clothing” and undermining the church from within.

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Adventist in High School says:
The church’s view on origins is that God created it, as an Adventist, I cannot agree with a mindset that labels incorrect another’s view simply because you are in disagreement with it, which seems to be the gist of this website. The creation week does not have to be taken literally, even my bible teacher concurs to that, and trust me, he’s as conservative as they come. You can believe in creation, if you want to, without being divisive.

As a parent, my advice to this young high school student is; “be careful what you wish for”. It seems to me from your reasoning above that you are on a very slippery slope. Please humble yourself before GOD for him to use you, because it takes faith to believe in the GOD of creation as well as the god of evolution. To me it takes a lot more faith to believe in Drawin’s theory of origins. By the way, can you also tell me if plant life evolved or not. That is, explain to me how the rose plant evolved to become a cedar tree.

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James Rodriguez says:
“I believe that LSU and possibly Loma Linda have had professors teaching or “influencing” students for YEARS on theistic evolution”.

Chaplain Rodriguez, unfortunately your observation is true. I was a graduate student at Loma Linda in the late 80’s and my wife was a pre-nursing student at the La Sierra campus that time and she was exposed to this erroneous teaching. How sad that those of us who have been privileged to be educated in these institutions of higher learning are the ones who want to tear down the pillars of this church. Sometimes some of us have the mistaken notion that because we have a proliferation of degrees behind our names, means that our pronouncements should carry more weight than the infallible word of GOD, the Bible. Since the fall of man, we have struggled with many sins foremost amongst them is PRIDE. The LORD reminds us of our wretechted condition in Revelation 3:17, “Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:”

It amazes me that people can read the plain word of Genesis chapter 1, and come out with this ridiculous interpretation that the days of creation were not literal days. But I take consolation from the words of Paul in 2 Corinthians 4:3 “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them”. This is certainly the work of our arch-enemy. We do need a dose of humility and humble ourselves before GOD for him to use us. We are in desperate need of that child like faith that will simply take GOD at his word, for he is GOD and there is no other. There is no GOD besides him, he is the creator of all things and only he can recreate sinful man. Amen.