Comment on Perspectives from alleged LSU students by Stephen Vicaro.
Eugene Shubert: I simply reject your gospel. Here is a gospel that is better than yours:
I also expect to find a better gospel in a hamburger bun than in what you peddle. Doesnâ€™t Sister White say somewhere that there is more gospel in a good loaf of bread than in most sermons?
I don’t understand. What gospel is it that I hold to that you disagree with? The Bible teaches us that God created a perfect world on His first effort, in six 24-hour days. Mankind messed everything up by choosing to follow someone other than God. That choice to sin brought death on the whole world. In order to reconcile the world to Himself again God paid the penalty for our sins by giving His perfect Son to die in our place. That is the Gospel that I hold to.
Evolutionists are attempting to destroy that Biblical Gospel by claiming that God did not create this world perfect, and sin and death are not caused by human choices. Evolutionists claim that God is responsible for all of the evil, sin and death that has happened throughout the history of life on this earth.
Romans 5: 18 Therefore, as through one manâ€™s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Manâ€™s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one manâ€™s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Manâ€™s obedience many will be made righteous.
Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 3: 21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Do you reject the Gospel that I hold to?
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Doug Carlson, Pastor: Of course, it could be a mutual parasitic relationship between both student and teacher- maybe they need each other. Just something to consider. I am fully aware of the mixed multitude influence upon ancient Israel. That mixed multitude did have influence with Aaron, but they had no influence with Godâ€™s real man, Moses.
That is why we need teachers who are like Moses, instead of teachers who are like Aaron. God will stand with teachers who are devoted to Him.
Perspectives from alleged LSU students
Brothers and sisters,
I would like to remind us that this issue is not about rebellious students. It is about rebellious professors. The students are only reflecting the knowledge and attitude of their professors at LSU. This matter could greatly be held in check by firing teachers and pastors who refuse to keep their promise to uphold the beliefs of the SDA church. Get rid of these teachers, then the students will have a chance to learn truth and hopefully take hold of the mission to bring the everlasting gospel to the world.
Eugene Shubert: Furthermore, if a chimpanzee were to pound on a keyboard long enough, he could type outâ€”on his very first tryâ€”the complete works of Shakespeare without a single spelling error.
O.K. then. Give that a try!
Recent Comments by Stephen Vicaro
I believe in creation and I have no iidea what your imaginary circle is and see no relevance whatsoever..
I’m sorry Geanna, but there is no way that your views and arguments reflect that of a creationist!
For years, I have feared that Adventism is intellectually dead. No one has been willing to discuss our lack of scientific evidence for a recent Creation. And, here you are making sure that nothing will change.
Carl, again, we are talking about he Seventh-day Adventist “CHURCH.” We put a higher authority in what God has said, as opposed to what man says. Why do you think that the so called “discoveries” of athiests should be able to persuade Christians to abandon the Bibles clear statements, including the very words of Christ Himself? Should we also believe those same atheists when they tell us, “it is impossible to prove that there is a God, therefore we should assume that He does not exist”? If you want to hang with that crowd then please do! The next thing you might tell us is that God did not know how we came to be!
Were you asleep during this presentation that like Trenchard and Guy FULLY SUPPORTED THE TRADITIONAL BELIEFS OF THE CHURCH? Or did you decide that being highly selective with your examlpses would be more effective to support your claim that LSU is undermining Adventist faith?
I am sorry to say this Geanna, but I think that you were the one who was asleep during those lectures. Those guys spoke right over your head. You completely missed all of the subtleties of their heresy.
Why did you not mention the wonderful lecture by Webster, another religion faculty member who reassured us that every one of the following threats from science to the Adventist church can be met:
1. Threat to propitiation model of atonement â€“ if death is not â€œthe wages of sinâ€, but necessary to evolution-creation-life, then the whole purpose of salvation is lost. No fall, no Savior.
HOW? Please enlighten us on how these conflicting views, evolutionary origins and the atonement, can be met.
We don’t change our Biblical beliefs on theories based in scientific interpretation. The interpretations change too frequently for that.
If you really find no satisfaction in what the Seventh-day Adventist Church believes, then why are you one? I am certainly NEVER going to join the Masons, the Harry Potter’s Fan Club or the Communist party because I am diametrically opposed to what they stand for. Why would anyone insist on forcing themselves to be a part of an organization that it is fundamentally opposed to at its foundation, and then try to change it? That seems illogical for a group of people who claim to be so logically based.
The SDA Church is founded upon the Bible as the infallible Word of God, the Atonement of Christ as the solution to the death problem that our sins brought upon us, and that God is the Creator of all things Who can make something out of nothing without the necessity of the laps of time. No of these beliefs can cohabitate with theistic evolution.
Carl, please explain to me how we are saved if we are to accept geological interpretations that originated with atheists? Yes, it matters!
Virtually every one of you considers it fact that the speakers are undermining Adventist beliefs. But is your opinion a fact or is it a hypothesis?
I am really trying to understand your view. I mean this as gently as I can possibly state it. It appears that you really don’t know what the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches at all. These professors would not just openly state, “The Bible cannot be trusted” or “Science is superior to the Bible.” However, everything they appear to be standing for undermines what the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy teach about origins.
Geanna, if you understood the original, you would recognize the counterfeit. You have not gotten a Christian education in the Biology department. And according to Fritz Guy’s demonstration you obviously have not gotten a Christian education in the Theology department either. This is not obvious to you because you do not have the foundation of the truth to guide you. I’m afraid my statements will only anger you more. I am sorry that you can’t see through the deception that LSU has fed you.