Comment on Perspectives from alleged LSU students by Stephen Vicaro.
You are avoiding the issue with distractions, and you betray yourself with inconsistencies. Obviously you believe yourself to be more enlightened than the rest of us, or the Bible writers. Have you ever heard of Gnosticism? Which parts of the Bible are inspired, and which parts are not? Also obvious is that you do not believe in the spirit of prophecy which you quote, or should I say, misquote. Here is the broader context:
â€œMany teach that matter possesses vital power,– that certain properties are imparted to matter, and it is then left to act through its own inherent energy; and that the operations of nature are conducted in harmony with fixed laws, with which God himself cannot interfere. This is false science, and is not sustained by the word of God. Nature is the servant of her Creator. God does not annul his laws, or work contrary to them; but he is continually using them as his instruments. Nature testifies of an intelligence, a presence, an active energy, that works in and through her laws.â€ (Christian Education, page 195)
Consider that in the book of Joshua God stopped the rotation of the earth for an entire day. And, as a sign to Hezekiah that he would be healed, God actually reversed the rotation of the earth. â€œThe equations of quantum mechanics and the law of large numbersâ€ are irrelevant to the issue of our origins.
â€œGod created man in His own image. Here is no mystery. There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level of man’s narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and defraud him of the dignity of his origin.â€ (Patriarchs and Prophets, page 46)
â€œThe work of God in the earth is of immeasurable importance, and it is Satan’s special object to crowd it out of sight and mind, that he may make his specious devices effectual in the destruction of those for whom Christ died. It is his purpose to cause the discoveries of men to be exalted above the wisdom of God. When the mind is engrossed with the conceptions and theories of men to the exclusion of the wisdom of God, it is stamped with idolatry. Science, falsely so-called, has been exalted above God, nature above its Maker, and how can God look upon such wisdom?â€ (Christian Education, page 85)
Science is a wonder, beautiful gift from God. Yet some have tried to turn it into their god. This is idolatry!
â€œThere is nothing more calculated to strengthen the intellect than the study of the Scriptures.â€ (Christian Education, page 59)
Eugene, you should spend more time studying your Bible and the spirit of prophecy. Then you would have a correct interpretation of scientific evidence. Your understanding would be broadened beyond your humanistic, hopeless, doomed philosophy.
You are avoiding the question of salvation. If death is not the result of sin, then there is no need for a sacrifice for sin. This leads one to conclude that the Gospel is â€œfoolishness.â€ You would have to also conclude that Jesus was a liar, because He believed in creationism and the worldwide flood. Christianity is based on Jesus being our atoning sacrifice for sin. I ask you again, HOW ARE WE SAVED? Please, no more distractions this time.
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Doug Carlson, Pastor: Of course, it could be a mutual parasitic relationship between both student and teacher- maybe they need each other. Just something to consider. I am fully aware of the mixed multitude influence upon ancient Israel. That mixed multitude did have influence with Aaron, but they had no influence with Godâ€™s real man, Moses.
That is why we need teachers who are like Moses, instead of teachers who are like Aaron. God will stand with teachers who are devoted to Him.
Perspectives from alleged LSU students
Brothers and sisters,
I would like to remind us that this issue is not about rebellious students. It is about rebellious professors. The students are only reflecting the knowledge and attitude of their professors at LSU. This matter could greatly be held in check by firing teachers and pastors who refuse to keep their promise to uphold the beliefs of the SDA church. Get rid of these teachers, then the students will have a chance to learn truth and hopefully take hold of the mission to bring the everlasting gospel to the world.
Eugene Shubert: Furthermore, if a chimpanzee were to pound on a keyboard long enough, he could type outâ€”on his very first tryâ€”the complete works of Shakespeare without a single spelling error.
O.K. then. Give that a try!
Recent Comments by Stephen Vicaro
I believe in creation and I have no iidea what your imaginary circle is and see no relevance whatsoever..
I’m sorry Geanna, but there is no way that your views and arguments reflect that of a creationist!
For years, I have feared that Adventism is intellectually dead. No one has been willing to discuss our lack of scientific evidence for a recent Creation. And, here you are making sure that nothing will change.
Carl, again, we are talking about he Seventh-day Adventist “CHURCH.” We put a higher authority in what God has said, as opposed to what man says. Why do you think that the so called “discoveries” of athiests should be able to persuade Christians to abandon the Bibles clear statements, including the very words of Christ Himself? Should we also believe those same atheists when they tell us, “it is impossible to prove that there is a God, therefore we should assume that He does not exist”? If you want to hang with that crowd then please do! The next thing you might tell us is that God did not know how we came to be!
Were you asleep during this presentation that like Trenchard and Guy FULLY SUPPORTED THE TRADITIONAL BELIEFS OF THE CHURCH? Or did you decide that being highly selective with your examlpses would be more effective to support your claim that LSU is undermining Adventist faith?
I am sorry to say this Geanna, but I think that you were the one who was asleep during those lectures. Those guys spoke right over your head. You completely missed all of the subtleties of their heresy.
Why did you not mention the wonderful lecture by Webster, another religion faculty member who reassured us that every one of the following threats from science to the Adventist church can be met:
1. Threat to propitiation model of atonement â€“ if death is not â€œthe wages of sinâ€, but necessary to evolution-creation-life, then the whole purpose of salvation is lost. No fall, no Savior.
HOW? Please enlighten us on how these conflicting views, evolutionary origins and the atonement, can be met.
We don’t change our Biblical beliefs on theories based in scientific interpretation. The interpretations change too frequently for that.
If you really find no satisfaction in what the Seventh-day Adventist Church believes, then why are you one? I am certainly NEVER going to join the Masons, the Harry Potter’s Fan Club or the Communist party because I am diametrically opposed to what they stand for. Why would anyone insist on forcing themselves to be a part of an organization that it is fundamentally opposed to at its foundation, and then try to change it? That seems illogical for a group of people who claim to be so logically based.
The SDA Church is founded upon the Bible as the infallible Word of God, the Atonement of Christ as the solution to the death problem that our sins brought upon us, and that God is the Creator of all things Who can make something out of nothing without the necessity of the laps of time. No of these beliefs can cohabitate with theistic evolution.
Carl, please explain to me how we are saved if we are to accept geological interpretations that originated with atheists? Yes, it matters!
Virtually every one of you considers it fact that the speakers are undermining Adventist beliefs. But is your opinion a fact or is it a hypothesis?
I am really trying to understand your view. I mean this as gently as I can possibly state it. It appears that you really don’t know what the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches at all. These professors would not just openly state, “The Bible cannot be trusted” or “Science is superior to the Bible.” However, everything they appear to be standing for undermines what the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy teach about origins.
Geanna, if you understood the original, you would recognize the counterfeit. You have not gotten a Christian education in the Biology department. And according to Fritz Guy’s demonstration you obviously have not gotten a Christian education in the Theology department either. This is not obvious to you because you do not have the foundation of the truth to guide you. I’m afraid my statements will only anger you more. I am sorry that you can’t see through the deception that LSU has fed you.