Eugene Shubert: Bob, I genuinely don’t believe that the Lord has …

Comment on LSU undergraduate biology bulletin by Jonathan Smith.

Eugene Shubert:
I genuinely don’t believe that the Lord has excused GC President Jan Paulsen just because he gave his very best ineffective response. By comparison, consider the sin of Achan. Joshua and the elders of Israel were in great affliction. They laid before the ark of God in most abject humility because the Lord was wroth with His people. They prayed and wept before God but that wasn’t good enough. So the Lord spoke to Joshua: “Get thee up; wherefore liest thou thus upon thy face? Israel hath sinned, and they have also transgressed My covenant which I commanded them: for they have even taken of the accursed thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have put it even among their own stuff. Therefore the children of Israel could not stand before their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies, because they were accursed: neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.”Our present crisis demands a shaking message and I don’t believe that continuing nice-sounding platitudes toward the ultra-Darwinist Adventists at LSU could be effective or pass God’s standard of obedience for GC leaders.Eugene Shubert  

I actually agree here. It is REQUIRED of the GC president, once he is informed of the situation, to act to stop the apostasy. Merely making a statement is not an acceptable action.

However, we do not know if he is doing something that is out of the spotlight so we should not be too hasty to write him off.

By the way, moral suasion is an effective managerial approach at times (not always).

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LSU undergraduate biology bulletin
@Jonathan Armstrong: Jonathan, another Jonathan here 🙂

It is good indeed to be Christlike in our response to our erring brethren. I would even say that it is necessary – a requirement.

However, let us not believe that in every case Christlike means an avoidance of tough talk. Read Matthew 23 –

Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Mat 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

And what about Jude

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

And there is more.

We may be Christlike if we choose and we should choose that way. But when people stubbornly resist the truth and refuse to change their ways, they have to be rebuked sharply or even stronger action taken so that others may be saved.

LSU undergraduate biology bulletin

Shane Hilde: @John:
I’ve heard from three other LSU students about the hostile environment that’s created in the classroom sometimes when they attempted to broach the subject. One professor became so upset one time he began yelling at a group of students who were creationists, telling them it was people like them that flew planes into buildings. Yes, I know who the professor is and I have multiple witnesses to this incident.The treatment of these students sickens me, considering they’re at an Adventist university. The professor above shouldn’t even be in the classroom.  

This is a serious matter for this professor is now likening a creationist to a terrorist. This professor should be identified publicly and hastily dismissed. Perhaps there should be even charges filed against him, for he has gone on to severely traumatising the students.

Please do whatever is possible to legally post his name so we can up the ante. In my classrooms I have often met people who I disagreed with and I never humiliated or disrespected them (intentionally, deliberately or emotionally). Irrespective of religion, sexual orientation, creed, race, national origin or whatever distinction, every student must have the right to believe differently from others and not be subjected to such hostile and inflammatory remarks. This issue must not rest.

LSU undergraduate biology bulletin
Did Ellen White ever write about a whole conference being lost? I thought I heard that in folklore but I have found no such evidence. Any word of it?

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Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

There are some who object to privately recorded conversations being used in this manner (like the Spectrum blog) but could it be that God is causing judgment on unacceptable behaviour?

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Marilyn Bauer:
I stand in support of Educate Truth and its efforts to maintain integrity on an SDA campus of higher education. “Once to every man and nation (university) comes the moment to decide, in the strife of truth and falsehood, for the good or evil side.”Our church history shows that we have had to watch church institutions (Battle Creek San and Hospital) leave the sisterhood of institutions due to false teachings by its leadership. We should not be surprised if the cost of fidelity to truth has a price. Politically, we know that freedom has a price. Spiritually, fidelity to truth has a price.

I regret that Shane is coming under attack for having the courage to keep the light burning for doctrinal truth in Adventist education. We have long purported the idea of integration of faith and learning. Why would we want to excuse a science department who moves away from the “faith” aspect of its discipline?

All those who decide to live a Biblically faithful life shall suffer persecution.

[6/17/11 UPDATE] Two administrators, one biology professor, and one board member resign
You ought to grow up. I don’t see how Educate Truth can cause anybody to be fired. After all, it does not pay salaries and it is not a decision maker at all. Educate Truth has only been a commentator.

If the university Chair said the issues with the bio dept are not the factors, then you should take up your beef with the chair and indeed ask him for the explanations. It is rather small of you to attack Hilde and his blog at a time like this.

If at anytime in the future there is evidence (not speculation) to support your claim, THEN you may rant and rail. Yet, you apparently have no idea what it means to be faithful to the Bible and you either accept evolution as fact or saw no conflict with what the professors taught.

If at all you consider yourself a Christian, I hope you recognise that faithfulness to Bible truths is more important than worldly honour and all will have to give an account for their actions later. I think Educate Truth has tried to be faithful to the Bible contrary to some professed Christians.

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Where men refused to deal with the apostates, those in charge will be accounted as guilty.

In the great reckoning to come they will pay.

I am glad this lady had the courage to speak and write. The evidence is plain for all to see.