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Most SDAs regard Ellen White as a prophet. If she received an inspired message from God to publicly rebuke the college and its professors, who am I to argue with her? However, I seriously doubt anybody reading this forum considers any respondents here to have been divinely inspired to publicly criticize either institutions or individuals.I have no problem with publicly pointing out the presence of sin in an institution or among church leaders, as long as it is done honestly, respectfully and constructively, in a manner that does not intentionally inflict undue division and harm to the organized church. However, I strongly feel it is a violation of the spirit of the 6th commandment to publicly do so with individuals, including leaders, regardless of whether the sin is private or public. It’s often referred to as the “golden rule” (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31).

The 6th Commandment has nothing to do with honest, truthful criticism, as Shane, Sean, and others have done on this website. As far as the “Golden Rule” is concerned, if someone in the Church is doing something wrong, that person should expect someone to talk to them about it and discuss the matter.

However, if we expect those doing the wrong thing to “like” the fact that someone has spoken up, we will be disappointed, as most will simply go into a defensive mode to rationalize what they are doing, as we see at LSU. Why this is done is simple; it very often “works!”

So, we do not need any “divinely inspired” reason other than we see in God’s Word and Truth.

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LSU Board says ‘we apologize’

Sean Pitman wroteUm, could you be more specific? Since you are comfortable calling out names, why don’t you do so now? It would help us to understand who “gets it” and who we need to shrug off.

Well, Prof, I’m called by Shane the “most” censored and deleted, so I’ll add my name myself. The fallacy of Sean’s argument is that when our “opponents” such as those over at Spectrum actually quote people from this website, they quote….Shane and Sean! Of course, this is done in a way to denigrate and criticize, not only them personally, but this website in general.

So, for Sean and Shane to say a “so and so” other person is “hurting” their cause is pure baloney!


LSU Board says ‘we apologize’

When an individual is publicly criticized on this forum, who rejoices more: God or Satan? “Choose you this day whom ye will serve” (Joshua 24:15).I have always believed that it is a sin to publicly criticize anybody, even leaders (including politicians). I regret and repent each time I have succumbed to the temptation. As far as I’m concerned, it is breaking the spirit of the 6th commandment. ?

[edit] Truth is difficult to take, especially for those who have had their head in the sand for years or decades. But someone has to pull them out eventually. Shane and Sean have done a great job on this one issue, but there are many more to address.


LSU Board says ‘we apologize’

Ron Stone M.D. wrote:Ron, I wish you were more respectful of church leadership.

I would give more respect to our leadership when and if they start deserving respect. I still don’t see much to “respect” them for when they have almost totally smokescreened the real issues involved. Sure, they have had their “survey” and “interviews” without addressing the underlying issue(s) we have been discussing on this website for well over 1 1/2 years.

The real reason we have these problems in the first place is that the so-called leadership from Wisbey on up through Graham and the Board have avoided doing their jobs.

You may think, like some on this website, that the problem is just with a few “rogue” Bio profs. It goes much higher than this. The denial of this fact will certainly perpetuate the problems into eons of time into the future.


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