Comment on Board requests progress reports from LSU administration by Stephen Vicaro.
Geanna Dane: Why do fangs, spines, and venom glands come to mind? these systems have evolved independently in hundreds or thousands of diffrent animal groups, most for no purpose other than defense. These ar complex systems! Maybe God created more programming for genes than appreciated by us.
Geanna.
You have introduced excellent questions. I agree with you that God may have “created more prgramming for genes than appreciated by us.” I want to remind you that my answers are speculation based on current knowledge (which is exactly what predominant evolutionary theory is). I do not have a problem with short-term evolution after the flood. I have a problem with the “millions of years” scenario, and the absense of a designer.
Let’s look at snakes for example. You are making the assumption that fangs and venom evolved independently of one another. I would assume (philosophy granted) that venom was present in the original snake, and early on all snake subspecies had venom, but that it had a different purpose. For instance, the rattlesnakes venom is not only used in catching its prey, but as a digestion aid. Upon the entrance of sin it became necessary for snakes to adapt to their new environment. The snake began to use venom as a weapon, in the same way that canines began to use their teeth as weapons, and cats their claws. Many snakes have lost the mechanisms necessary to produce venom. Why would a snake have genes for long fangs before death entered the world? I can’t be certain. I know that tallness is not determined by one gene. It is determined by a complex combination of different genes. Maybe in the beginning that is how fang length was determined. It is probably much more complex than what we can currently observe. It is easier for me to believe that all snake had venom and some lost it, than for me to believe that no snakes had it and some independently constructed new DNA for it. For instance, cobra venom and coral snake venom are nearly identical, and yet they live on opposite parts of the world. What is the likelyhood of that happening independently?
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“I was then carried back to the creation, and was shown that the first week, in which God performed the work of creation in six days and rested on the seventh day, was just like every other week. The great God, in his days of creation and day of rest, measured off the first cycle as a sample for successive weeks till the close of time. “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created.” God gives us the productions of his work at the close of each literal day. Each day was accounted of him a generation, because every day he generated or produced some new portion of his work. On the seventh day of the first week God rested from his work, and then blessed the day of his rest, and set it apart for the use of man. The weekly cycle of seven literal days, six for labor and the seventh for rest, which has been preserved and brought down through Bible history, originated in the great facts of the first seven days.” EGW, The Spirit of Prophecy, Volume One, pages 86-87
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Bravus:
I have not read your previous comments about the six possible positions you available. For my sake, please repeat them.
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I believe in creation and I have no iidea what your imaginary circle is and see no relevance whatsoever..
I’m sorry Geanna, but there is no way that your views and arguments reflect that of a creationist!
Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
For years, I have feared that Adventism is intellectually dead. No one has been willing to discuss our lack of scientific evidence for a recent Creation. And, here you are making sure that nothing will change.
Carl, again, we are talking about he Seventh-day Adventist “CHURCH.” We put a higher authority in what God has said, as opposed to what man says. Why do you think that the so called “discoveries” of athiests should be able to persuade Christians to abandon the Bibles clear statements, including the very words of Christ Himself? Should we also believe those same atheists when they tell us, “it is impossible to prove that there is a God, therefore we should assume that He does not exist”? If you want to hang with that crowd then please do! The next thing you might tell us is that God did not know how we came to be!
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Were you asleep during this presentation that like Trenchard and Guy FULLY SUPPORTED THE TRADITIONAL BELIEFS OF THE CHURCH? Or did you decide that being highly selective with your examlpses would be more effective to support your claim that LSU is undermining Adventist faith?
I am sorry to say this Geanna, but I think that you were the one who was asleep during those lectures. Those guys spoke right over your head. You completely missed all of the subtleties of their heresy.
Why did you not mention the wonderful lecture by Webster, another religion faculty member who reassured us that every one of the following threats from science to the Adventist church can be met:
1. Threat to propitiation model of atonement – if death is not “the wages of sinâ€, but necessary to evolution-creation-life, then the whole purpose of salvation is lost. No fall, no Savior.
HOW? Please enlighten us on how these conflicting views, evolutionary origins and the atonement, can be met.
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Carl,
We don’t change our Biblical beliefs on theories based in scientific interpretation. The interpretations change too frequently for that.
If you really find no satisfaction in what the Seventh-day Adventist Church believes, then why are you one? I am certainly NEVER going to join the Masons, the Harry Potter’s Fan Club or the Communist party because I am diametrically opposed to what they stand for. Why would anyone insist on forcing themselves to be a part of an organization that it is fundamentally opposed to at its foundation, and then try to change it? That seems illogical for a group of people who claim to be so logically based.
The SDA Church is founded upon the Bible as the infallible Word of God, the Atonement of Christ as the solution to the death problem that our sins brought upon us, and that God is the Creator of all things Who can make something out of nothing without the necessity of the laps of time. No of these beliefs can cohabitate with theistic evolution.
Carl, please explain to me how we are saved if we are to accept geological interpretations that originated with atheists? Yes, it matters!
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Virtually every one of you considers it fact that the speakers are undermining Adventist beliefs. But is your opinion a fact or is it a hypothesis?
Geanna,
I am really trying to understand your view. I mean this as gently as I can possibly state it. It appears that you really don’t know what the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches at all. These professors would not just openly state, “The Bible cannot be trusted” or “Science is superior to the Bible.” However, everything they appear to be standing for undermines what the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy teach about origins.
Geanna, if you understood the original, you would recognize the counterfeit. You have not gotten a Christian education in the Biology department. And according to Fritz Guy’s demonstration you obviously have not gotten a Christian education in the Theology department either. This is not obvious to you because you do not have the foundation of the truth to guide you. I’m afraid my statements will only anger you more. I am sorry that you can’t see through the deception that LSU has fed you.
