Comment on Science, Methodological Naturalism, and Faith by Bob Helm.
@pauluc: Paul, the Bible suggests that the earth existed in a chaotic state prior to creation week, but it doesn’t tell us for how long. Evidence from the sciences of astronomy and geology leads me to conclude that the earth as a planet is probably several billion years old and also that the ex nihilo creation of the universe (which Fred Hoyle insultingly called the big bang) probably occurred 13.7 billion years ago – as calculated from the Hubble Constant. However, I regard the designing of the earth’s biosphere as recent and as occurring in 6 literal days. I also believe that the Cambrian through the upper Cenozoic portion of the geologic column was laid down catastrophically in the Genesis Flood.
The article on Azazel in AUSS was largely taken from my master’s thesis, “The Development Of The Azazel Tradition,” which was written as part of the requirement for the Master of Theology, which I completed at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY in 1992. That master’s thesis was intended as an extension of the ideas expressed in an earlier master’s thesis by Jerry Gladson. It also made some use of Richard Davidson’s ideas, but I don’t think Randy Younker even appears in the bibliography. My time at SBTS in the 1990s was interesting because at the time, that institution was transitioning from being liberal to being conservative. As a non-Baptist outsider, I thought it best not to get involved in the controversy, but it did allow me to be exposed to the arguments for both liberal and conservative theology.
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I will be out of town for a while. I may or may not have computer service. If not, I’ll pick up on this discussion when I return.
Science, Methodological Naturalism, and Faith
George, why do liberal critics of the Bible almost always assume that the Hebrews borrowed the creation and flood stories from the Babylonians? Why couldn’t the copying have been from the Hebrew original, as Sean has suggested above. Or maybe there was an earlier account (perhaps oral) from which the Babylonians and Moses both borrowed. I fail to understand the logic of assuming that the Genesis account was borrowed from the Babylonians because there is no evidence for it. To me, it comes across as an unwarranted and ad hoc attempt to undermine the authority of scripture.
Furthermore, the Babylonian stories are not the only ones that resemble Genesis. Even North American and Polynesian cultures have their own native flood accounts that are remarkably similar to the one in Genesis. There is also a Chinese symbol for a ship that depicts a boat with 8 mouths in it (Remember – Noah’s family had 8 members on the ark). How do you explain all this? Why assume that the Hebrews copied from the Babylonians when the flood tradition is worldwide? And how did such a story become known all over the globe. . . unless it represents a collective memory of a real and extremely ancient event?
Science, Methodological Naturalism, and Faith
@george: “Why should the word of God have any redactions whatsoever?”
George, if someone believes that God dictated the words of scripture and that the actual words are inspired, that is a legitimate question. Muslims make such clams about the Koran, which is why they frown on even translating it. But please bear in mind that I am not a fundamentalist (at least in the sense that the term is commonly used today). I believe that the ideas in scripture are inspired, but not the words. As time passes, names of locations, etc. change, and sometimes editing is needed for effective communication. You seem to attribute a higher view of scripture to me than I actually hold. Yes, I have a conservative view of scripture, but not a fundamentalist one.
You also asked about embellishing different accounts to make them agree. But before I can comment on that, I first need to pose the same question I have asked you twice before. Where do you have any clear evidence of different accounts coming from different hands?
I realize that you directed your questions to Dr. Pitman, but they really concerned material that I had posted to you, so I decided to reply. Dr. Pitman can also have a stab at it.
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@Carlos: Far from being outdated, I would say that Sean’s arguments are cutting edge. As for the assertion that scientists don’t use Darwin’s model for evolution, that is correct – because Darwin had no knowledge of Mendelian genetics. The original Darwinian model was replaced by the Neo-darwinian Synthesis about 1940, which claims that evolution takes place as natural selection acts on random mutations. Although this model still dominates biology today, it is facing increasingly serious problems, which Sean has touched on.
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@Sean Pitman: OK, I see it now. Sorry – I missed it earlier.
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Sean, Dr. John Sanford, who was an important contributor to the development of GMOs, has written a book on this issue entitled, “Genetic Entropy.” I don’t see him quoted anywhere in your article, and I’m wondering if you are familiar with his work. It is noteworthy that Dr. Sanford has abandoned Darwinism and adopted creationism/intelligent design, not originally for religious reasons, but because of this problem.
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Sean, once again I urge you to publish your material in book form, preferably with a non-Adventist publisher. You have such wonderful material, but the Educate Truth audience is so small.
