Comment on Beyond the Creation Story – Why the Controversy Matters by Wesley Kime.
@Ken: “..is this the something … that is going to pull Adventism up by its ontological boot straps?” “Dr. Kime, help me out here.”
Sure, friend, I’m here for you, at least until this bloggernaut steams on by and swamps me.
But Adventism’s problem isn’t that it is sunk in an ontological swamp up out of which it must pull itself by its own ontological bootstraps, or by some kind of life saver, ontological or Wrigley’s mint flavored. Adventism is solid ground. Adventism’s danger is being sucked, or suckered, from its solid ground down into that dismal ontological postmodernist swamp, which is what Dr. Pitman is resisting heart and soul, by heart and soul, by faith and evidence linked and synced.
Anyway, maybe an American might pull himself up by his own bootstraps into material security but an Adventist cannot by his own petards hoist himself into salvation. He must take hold of God’s hand, as Peter did Christ’s (Matt 14:31), or, hmmmm…, as the State now must bailout all of us (a feat less credible than Matt 14:31).
WK
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Beyond the Creation Story – Why the Controversy Matters
Kime out for an apothegm. “Syllogism,” circular reasoning and proud of it. (I prefer apothegms to paradigms any day.)
Beyond the Creation Story – Why the Controversy Matters
@Ken: Ken, re. yours of May 31, 15 12:42 pm: … those standing up for FB28 have every right to do so…until they [presumably the FBs, not the communicants, although either could be changed in a twinkling of any eye] are democratically changed.â€
FB28? What’s that? You probably know better than I. Genesis 1 I can quote; FB28 I can’t. And won’t bother to check. I couldn’t even tell you where to find those FBs. I read what you say more assiduously than the FBs. (What’s FB? FaceBook?)
In the first place I think you’ve got Adventism wrong, or at least Adventism as I know it. Well, maybe you haven’t, the postmodernist kind anyway. I’m pre-catechistic, ergo prehistoric, alas. I’m that old.
FB28 or whatever it is, if it WERE changed, democratically or otherwise, dramatically or creepingly, by evolution or edict, even if expunged and expurgated in the interest of big-tent accord, which seemed on the verge of happening pre-T. Wilson, and may yet, I wouldn’t even know it until I saw it here. You’d know before I would.
With or without and despite FB28 or whatever, or EduTruth, I’d still honor Genesis 1. I’d honor it, A, by faith, because the Bible, i.e. God, says so. A validated faith validated by B, The evidence, good scientific falsifiable evidence. And C, the consummate cosmic multi-vectored syllogism. Everything fits.
Seriously, though, discussion has to start somewhere and be referenced by something, for convenience if not citizenship. But I’d prefer to start, if granted “every right,†with Genesis 1, at the beginning.
Beyond the Creation Story – Why the Controversy Matters
@ken: Hmmm…. An Open Mind and an Open Door don’t always turn out to be the same thing. The former is too often really closed. See? You got me off on word play, again. But there’s more: “spirit/Spirit that welds the friendship”? I’d say BOTH, in this case (but I’m not praying for you, just bantering, while Sean does the heavy lifting and Jeffery does the heavy breathing.)
Recent Comments by Wesley Kime
Dr. Walter Veith and the anti-vaccine arguments of Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche
Informative and stimulating, but proceeding into more confusion. A veteran of Moderna vaccinations, I trust, hope, they are effective, at least until otherwise. The whole business, being part of End Times, is in the hands of God, not humans expert and as degreed as they may be.
Brilliant and Beautiful, but Wrong
Brilliant, beautiful, and so right! Speaking of your presentation at LLU recently. Great to see you and your family (especially my namesake, Wes. God bless! WK
Complex Organisms are Degenerating – Rapidly
@Bob Helm: Dr. Sanford is very familiar to most of us. He was invited to speak at LLU several years ago and I and a great many were privileged to hear him.
Evolution from Space?
Hats off yet again to Sean for pursuing this topic as a scientist should, no nonsense, and in it’s proper setting — as a revival of one of the ancient ideas recently upgraded as a desperate alternative to the increasingly compelling intelligent design data. I had occasion to review panspermia a few years ago and as is my wont I found it more amusing than scientific. If you would like what was intended to be a satirical response to panspermia and other related curiosities you could check out: http://www.iessaythere.com/black-hole-humor.html
Meantime, Sean’s article is of far more cogent worth.
The Sabbath and the Covenants (Old vs. New)
As he has done on this site many times, Sean in his line-by-line-item response to C. White (not EG or EB) has, to my mind, clearly enunciated the issue and resolution.
When all the hermeneutics, quoting, and arguing and inordinately judgmental riposte are over, it comes down, as I understand it, to two things: 1) Whether the 7th day Sabbath (whether enunciated in the famous 10 commandments or otherwise) is still valid, and 2) Does the grace obtained by the vicarious sacrifice by the shedding of Christ’s blood or other divine process too deep for us to understand in this life, cover every sin automatically and without ado, altogether passively on our part, or is it only on condition that we first totally and deeply accept it? Other details always hassled forever are distractions.
I accept that I must accept it, wholly, actively, even with agony, with my whole being.
