Comment on Open letter to General Conference by Eugene Shubert.
JohnB: For Eugene to imply the SDA church is Babylon, however, is way off too.
I did not imply that the SDA Church is Babylon. I simply agreed with Sister White’s characterization of the SDA leadership at the endtime.
“When the call is made for those who will be on the Lordâ€™s side to make a decided move to vindicate the right, they will manifest their true position. Those who have been nearly all their lives controlled by a spirit as foreign to the Spirit of God as was Achanâ€™s will be very passive when the time comes for decided action on the part of all. They will not claim to be on either side. The power of Satan has so long held them that they seem blinded and have no inclination to stand in defense of right. If they do not take a determined course on the wrong side, it is not because they have a clear sense of the right, but because they dare not.
“God will not be trifled with. It is in the time of conflict that the true colors should be fling to the breeze. It is then that the standard-bearers need to be firm and let their true position be known. It is then that the skill of every true soldier for the right is tested. Shirkers can never wear the laurels of victory. Those who are true and loyal will not conceal the fact, but will put heart and might into the work, and venture their all in the struggle, let the battle turn as it will. God is a sin-hating God. And those who encourage the sinner, saying, It is well with thee, God will curse.” 3T 272.
“Here we see that the churchâ€”the Lordâ€™s sanctuaryâ€”was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of Godâ€™s power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus â€˜Peace and safetyâ€™ is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show Godâ€™s people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together.” 5T 211.
“No superiority of rank, dignity, or worldly wisdom, no position in sacred office, will preserve men from sacrificing principle when left to their own deceitful hearts. Those who have been regarded as worthy and righteous prove to be ringleaders in apostasy and examples in indifference and in the abuse of Godâ€™s mercies. Their wicked course He will tolerate no longer, and in His wrath He deals with them without mercy.” 5T 212.
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I believe that people who do this are bearing false witness. (Using SOP rather than facts as proof.)
I never claimed that The Seven Faces of Seventh-day Adventism is a proof of anything.
The LSU issue is clear and specific, but generalizations about the entire denomination is going to far.
Where do you think Sister White stepped over the line?
A good example is you changing (or expanding) the definition of pantheism in order to use a Spirit of Prophecy quote.
My definition of pantheism as it pertains to its modern-day resurgence in the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the example set forth by John Harvey Kellogg.
But I could cite numerous other examples, like your lists of sins in the church within sentences that state authoritatively that the â€˜vast majorityâ€™ of SDAs believe or practice them.
I never said that the â€˜vast majorityâ€™ of SDAs believe or practice pantheism and spiritualism, only that God imputes the doctrines of demons to the whole church because pan-Gnostic Adventist spiritualism and pantheism are protected and tolerated in the Church by the hierarchy.
If you have valid complaints about specific issues, then you donâ€™t need to exaggerate or stretch things to make a point.
I’m not exaggerating.
“The message to the Laodicean church reveals our condition as a people.” RH, Dec. 15, 1904.
Is that helpful or harmful?
Open letter to General Conference
Korah and his companions opposed Moses, just as the modern-day subversives challenge the Spirit of prophecy. The parallel is perfect and there is no point in denying it.
Recent Comments by Eugene Shubert
… the LSU evolutionists are employing a â€œfoxhole mentalityâ€ among their student devotees â€“ convincing them that it is â€œus against the rest of the Adventist church and against Adventist administrators that simply pay lip service to Bible creationâ€.
That is essentially correct. There are two sides to every issue. The dispute here is between science and the Bible. The scientists believe that science should be taught in science class. The opinionated non-scientists that reject science and have no clue what it is, are content with either replacing science with pseudo-science or just getting rid of the teaching of science permanently.
Since you have offerred no response to points raised â€“ the point remains.in Christ,Bob
I already presented the mathematical response: “The odds for any particular sequence of 100 flips of a coin is 1/2^100, which is not zero.”
Do you agree or disagree with the mathematics?
The rest of your attempt to articulate a thought about science is barely intelligible. If you wish to be understood, please write with precision in a scientifically discernible form. I do not understand lowbrow diction. Please learn and use the universal language of science.
Eugene, Now we know your true ambitions!
No, that part isn’t clear. But we do know your rank and the rank of your associates in The Seven Faces of Seventh-day Adventism.
In the case of the coin flip we have 100 very likely events (50/50) in sequence and by adding the statistics of â€œsequenceâ€ to the probability â€“ we get â€œNILâ€.
You’re speaking gibberish. â€œNILâ€ means “nothing; naught; zero.” The odds for any particular sequence of 100 flips of a coin is 1/2^100, which is not zero. And your expressed method of computation, “by adding the statistics of `sequence’ to the probability” is unabashed gibberish and demonstrates that you have absolutely no understanding of the science of probability theory.
You obviously feel great peace when unbelievers curse God because of your willful stupidity.
Are you proud of being a contributing influence that justifies unbelievers in their rejection of Christ?
Eugene so it is only scientists who can have the truth? Science is now superseding the Bible? Are you listening to what you are saying? You are saying that science is God!
It is as Steven Weinberg has said: “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
In other words, “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you” (Ro 2:24).
So grow up and stop practicing deceit.