It’s obvious to me that the witness of one person …

Comment on Student reveals true intent of LSU’s biology seminar class by Geanna Dane.

It’s obvious to me that the witness of one person is all that is needed to brandish pitchforks. One disgruntled person. I have had classes with wonderful teachers in the past and most students like me that the professor was great. But there was often one angry disgruntled student who saw things very differently.

The Seminar course certainly sounds horrific and anti-SDA. Wait a minute. I just noticed: “The above comments I have listed are directly from the session entitled “Faith and the Intellect,” which was a part of that Seminar.” Um, what about the rest of that lecture? Did the speaker say “I believe all of this personally? What about all the other lectures for the remainder of the course?

At Adventist Today Sean Pitman complained bitterlly that some were misrepresenting EducateTruth by selecting the most mean-spirited and rude comments that made him “cringe”. He said it was unfair to characterize a message on the basis of only a very small part of it. Yet that is exactly what goes on here. None of you want to hear the balance of what happens at LSU, and you really don’t need to. Youu KNOW that LSU faculty are attacking the church. You KNOW they are theieves and liars. And Louis just proved it beyond a shadow of doubt.

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Student reveals true intent of LSU’s biology seminar class
Hello Louie,

I wish to express my dismay with your lack of integrity and transparency. I don’t think you have fairly characterized the situation at LSU.

You wrote “This Seminar was promoted as the class where the relevant doctrinal positions of the SDA Church regarding Creation would be taught. Sadly, this was not the case.” You also wrote “this course actually undermined the traditional beliefs of the church.”

You then cited a series of statements that came from the latter half of one speaker’s talk. What of the other speaker who spoke that day, and what of the other four days the class met? What about the entire talk on “What Adventist Christians have learned about early earth history and what we can learn” (did the speaker tell you that life evolved millions of years ago after God sprinkled DNA over the sea? be honest!)

After viewing the recently posted videos I have to ask why did you not mention to us the perfectly fine talks by the religion faculty Trenchard and Guy who enouraged students to learn continually and look forward to an eternity of learning? These individuals spoke very respectfully of the church and IN NO WAY UNDERMINED ANY TRADITIONAL BELIEFS OF THE CHURCH.

Why did you not mention the wonderful lecture by Webster, another religion faculty member who reassured us that every one of the following threats from science to the Adventist church can be met:

1. Threat to propitiation model of atonement – if death is not “the wages of sin”, but necessary to evolution-creation-life, then the whole purpose of salvation is lost. No fall, no Savior.

2. Threat to confidence in the Bible – if creation is not taken literally, why take the ressurection and 2nd coming literally?

3. Threat to the Sabbath – if the creation story is not literally true, then why take the Sabbath as a literally true command to be kept?

4. Threat to the Immanence of the Second Advent – if “creation” takes place over billions of years, why should we not expect the future will extend for billions more?

5. Threat to the Character of God – how can we reconcile the character of God (love) with the scientific (can’t read) cosmic, planetary, biological and human evolution- which necessarily inncludes massive destruction (super-nova), inefficiency, waste, (can’t read), and extinction?

Were you asleep during this presentation that like Trenchard and Guy FULLY SUPPORTED THE TRADITIONAL BELIEFS OF THE CHURCH? Or did you decide that being highly selective with your examlpses would be more effective to support your claim that LSU is undermining Adventist faith?

If transparency is important to you then you need to be more transparent yourself, dude.

Student reveals true intent of LSU’s biology seminar class
“Regardless, the SDA Church need not support any intitution that is publicly undermining its stated goals and ideals on the Church’s dime.”

Translation: the church should withdraw its support from La Sierra. Is this another purpose of Educate Truth besides “transparency” and firing the biology faculty (who aparently cannot be replaced).?

Recent Comments by Geanna Dane

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Professor Kent, thank you for defending me, but its not really necessary. You have been very kind to me and I have greatly appreciated the way you and your wife so generously share your faith. You have given me added confidence in the Bible and I have a better understanding of how to trust God’s word ahead of science. Thanks to your encouragement I now enjoy attending church more than ever. I have also learned that my personal experience with God is much stronger when I avoid contentious and negative websites like this one. After reading a few posts here I can’t bear the thought of reading more. Makes my stomach turn.

Your friend,

Ravi Zacharias: Should Church Members be Held to a Higher Standard?
Wow, a friend gave me a phone call and sure enough, my name has come up here again.

Ken, please understand that you are seeing some of the worst of Adventism at this website. I don’t understand the mean-spirited and snarkey posts that are so common here even from clergy like Pastor Constantinescu. I can forgive their treatment of me and others as I attribute their comments to the impersonal nature of the internet. I strongly suspect that if I were casually chatting with them in the foyer after church they would be very kind and gracious, much like most other church members that I sit down with in the pews each week. I prefer to assume these men are sincere upstanding Christians and so I don’t wish to respond in kind to their remarks.

I actually have family in Michigan and fully intend to sit in on a service by Pastor Constantinescu one day. I will make a point to visit with him personally after the service and he will not know who I am (unless I decide to publicy post my impression afterwards- which I think would be uncharitable of me). He will answer to God how he has treated me and others here, and how he treats people in person. I don’t care to defend myself further. Believe whatever you wish to believe, Ken, but know that Jesus loved his enemies and we should be willing to do the same.

Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
I don’t think there is anything any of you truly wish to hear from me. It doesn’t matter how nice or agreeable I am, everything gets interpreted from an extreme point of view that I am seldom able to anticipate. If I have misplaced anything, it has been my time spent here. I agree on many issues about the message, but I don’t share the personal vendetta and punitive approach that others articulate here.

I wrote a very nice, very sincere reply to Sean, thanking him for the many positive things he does for the church. There was no anger or sarcasm in the message. I don’t know why it has not been approved for posting yet, but he is welcome to treat and interpret the message as he wishes. I’ve made my peace and I am finished for good.


Video show LSU undermining church doctrine

Thank you for your concerns about the education of Adventist young people and for trying to find solutions to save them from losing their faith. We need them and they need us.

Thank you for attempting to share with Adventists your understanding of the overwhelming evidence that supports our belief in God, the Bible, Genesis, 6 days, 6,000 years, the spirit of prophecy, the nonexistance of the flying spaghetti monster, and the like. It’s refreshing to know that faith is not enough.

Thank you for bringing the importance of “transparency” and “on the church’s dime” to our attention. Your concepts are like manna to the faithful.

Thank you for pointing out individuals and institutions by name, and making clear to us how they continue to undermine the fundamental values and beliefs of our church and how our administrators have utterly failed to correct them. They must surely be a part of the much-anticipated omega apostasy.

Thank you for taking so much time to correct those of us who disagree with you. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.

Thank you for adhering so vigorously to what you believe to be God’s will for your life. We admire your fidelity to your stated positions and family and spiritual values.

Thank you for defending the faith of those who do not understand or agree with your views but still believe in many of the same spiritual truths that you do. We can only hope that they too can find their way to the kingdom of God.

Thank you for being so patient and respectful toward those who hold to different views than you do. Your example will perhaps inspire these individuals in ways that only God can understand.

May God bless you abundantly.

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So, no big deal right? Since most are not affected nothing needs to be done for those that are?

I didn’t say either, Sean. I respectfully pointed out that it was unnecessarily cruel, in my humble opinion, to shut down a university (as some have argued), ship it to Europe (as one individual suggested), or tell parents to send their children elsewhere when so many students have no exposure to the lies and theft that you have diligently brought to our attention and receive blessings from an Adventist college that are very difficult to get from a secular college.

Why is it that I can’t say even one acceptable thing here? No one should object to anything I’ve written in the past few posts above this one. Can’t you simply say, “Thank you Geanna for sharing your experiences and views. You raise some valid points.”