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Gail:
And, actually I did encourage a child to attend La Sierra. The reason? I knew he would be encouraged to think and mature in his decision making process.

I pity both you and your child. So you think that by teaching the students error and how to question the validity of the Bible is valuable to establishing his faith?

I must admit I can’t follow that line of reasoning at all.

To me, the best that can be done for any student is to fortify them with the word of God so that they can successfully achieve salvation. Those that teach them to question scripture are doing the absolute opposite of developing faith. As David Bee has shown us by example this afternoon.

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Wow! Where do I start?

“They try to use peoples beliefs to promote their own dirty agenda. This website is a shame to SDA community.”

As far as ignorance goes, you have given us a very good example. You apparently are under the misapprehension that Shane Hilde (correct spelling) and Sean Pitman (two separate people, by the way) are advocating some kind of unique beliefs of their own. Have you any real idea what the SDA church stands for? Do you understand the stated beliefs of the SDA church? Do you even care? What exactly do you consider fundamentalism? It isn’t like SDAs have some sort of holy war on–we don’t go out on suicide missions or anything–if that’s what you’re thinking.

“LSU is first and foremost an academic institution and it is affiliated with SDA church who provides 1/10th of its funding. That does not mean however that the church can use the university an instrument to brain wash people.”

You do realize that if it hadn’t been for the hard work and sacrifice of the SDA church, LSU wouldn’t even exist? It is the right of our church to teach SDA principles in our own schools. If you don’t agree with the tennets of the SDA church, you are free to go elsewhere for whatever education you need. Are you aware that we don’t worship education, we worship God?

Exactly what do you see as this site’s “dirty agenda?” As I see it, the founders of this site have righteously asked for an accounting of LSU as to what they are teaching in our biology classrooms. Bravo for them. They are doing the church a great service–exactly the opposite of the “shame” you think this site is to the church. Speaking as a member of this church, I am very grateful for Shane and Sean and this site.

“I have a great deal of respect for biology professors in LSU because they have to deal with the bs from ignorant people like sean hild.”

How very sad for you–respecting cheating and lying and undermining employers. Those aren’t qualities I particularly admire.

And referring to the call for truth in education as “bs” shows that you have no respect for the SDA church or its principles. Apparently you share this attitude with the Dr. Bradley you so ardently admire. I understand you speak the same language.

By the way, people who think evolution is junk science are what is known as right–just so you know.


My Goal for La Sierra University
Charles: “How close to “The End of the World” are we? It is a discussion I do not hear so much about – even from our pulpits. What are the signs? Is it too politically incorrect to talk, preach, teach about them anymore?”

While, (as you know) we cannot set dates, Charles, I am quite sure we are nearing the end sooner than any of us think. And you are right, we don’t hear much of it being taught any more. It seems that the ministers are more concerned with “relationships” than with good old-fashioned doctrine.

The signs? Look at all the earthquakes that are happening worldwide. Look at the tornadoes, the tsunamis, the hurricanes, the severe hail storms; they are happening with increasing intensity and frequency.

Look at the state of the world economy–riots in Greece and other countries where austerity measures are hitting the poor and working class to the benefit of the rich. You can easily see where this is going to usher in one global economy and one global government, which, surprise, surprise, will result in a call for one global religion.

And within the church is the progressive movement–contemplative prayer, which is nothing more than old-fashioned sorcery in the form of transcendental meditation; acceptance of evolution which denies the Creator His glory (an obvious agenda Satan has been working on for millenia); a tearing down of the health standards such as drinking alcohol, eating pork (I couldn’t believe it when I heard that one) and drinking tea and coffee; a direct attack on the 10 commandments and any other scripture that denies the progressives whatever pleasure they want to indulge in; and the use of Satan’s music in the church under the guise of “keeping the young people” or “attracting the worldly-minded”. Note: you cannot use Satan’s music to do God’s work–it is offering strange fire on the altar and is not acceptable to God. These are just a few of the signs.

We know from SOP that the progressives will be shaken out and the church will be cleansed and go forward with the work–and it will be done. My heart bleeds for those who will have sold so cheaply their soul salvation. The biggest tragedy in the world is to have been given the truth and to despise it in favour of the world’s approval and/or acclaim.

We seem to be like the hurricane-weary people in Florida who get so used to the calls for boarding up and evacuating, only to have the hurricane about half what they expected, that the next time, they refuse to leave and–BAM–they get hit with a big one.

As a church we have anticipated the second coming to be very near, even at the door, for so long that we aren’t taking that event seriously anymore. We have become complacent. “My great-grandfather believed he would be alive when Jesus came and he is long dead–same with my grandfather and my father, and now I am looking at old age myself. And still He does not come.” The trouble with that attitude is that–BAM–it will come and catch us sleeping. We need to wake up and actively work to prepare ourselves, our families, our churches, and even the world for His coming.

I pray that God will use whatever talents He has seen fit to give me in His work. That I may do what I can to speed up the process. I want to go home to heaven–to perfect peace and harmony.

If there is anything I have learned from Educate Truth it is realizing how far from truth our church has strayed. I thank Shane and Sean for opening my eyes. I thought all SDAs were pretty much in agreement with the Bible and each other. I had no idea this tempest had been raging so long or had cut so deeply into our ranks.

I know God will save as many as are willing to reform…I pray that will be a large number.


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Phillip: “What we rightfully object to is teaching Intelligent Design in a science class.”

What you WRONGFULLY object to is teaching Intelligent Design in a science class, Mr Brantley. That’s where it belongs because God is the author of science and true science cannot be separated from Him.

You cannot be serious in classifying evolution as science. As has been pointed out time and time again on ET, evolution does not follow the scientific method. It is someone’s fancy, written down in a convincing manner that has sucked in a large number of supposedly thinking scientists, which has taken away a lot of my respect for your community.

Professor Kent is often correcting your statements, (“What Phil means is…”) and trying to put a good spin on it, but the obvious truth is you and Prof Kent do not believe in Biblical Creation at all…one of the fundamental SDA beliefs. If you did, you wouldn’t be here defending evolution. If you don’t, why continue to call yourselves SDAs seeing as it is so unpopular with your community?

These arguments you continue to present are so much foolishness. You so patently believe in man over God. While that is sad to see, it will never change my mind one iota, and I have decided that whatever you two men write will no longer be read by me. It is a pure waste of time. I don’t believe a word you say regarding creation…and I never will until you begin promoting Bible truth. By the same token, you can cease to read what I write as well. It is probably foollishness to you because you have rejected the word of God.

I wish you would turn yourselves around before it is too late, but you know the truth, you have been given every oppportunity to embrace it. If you want to put your trust in the world you will find to your sorrow that you will share in its destiny.

Sad…so sad.


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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.