Ron said: “I am not surprised at the witch hunt …

Comment on LSU statement regarding resignations and Bradley’s email by Faith.

Ron said: “I am not surprised at the witch hunt because I have seen it over and over again in the Adventist church. Kellogg, Jones and Wagner, Ford, Brimsmead, Numbers, Standish, and many others. Our president recently asked every member in the church to speak up for religious liberty. How can you ask civil governments to grant religious liberty if you are not willing to grant religious liberty within the church?”

Ok, Ron, then what do we do when heresy raises its ugly head? Are we supposed to grant heretics the liberty to pollute our church with falsehood? If nothing is done, the church will become another Babylon…history has shown that over and over. Surely you don’t think God approves of all this going on, do you?

There have been procedures established for church discipline because it is necessary from time to time. You seem to think it unkind and unchristian to put a stop to heresy within the church, but consider this: if it is not stopped many will be deceived by it, many will lose eternal life because of it. Is that kind and Christian? I think not. Your comments smack of this humanistic heresy that is also infiltrating the church. Hopefully you will not be deceived by it yourself. Never sympathize with sin…for if you do, you become a partaker with it.

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LSU statement regarding resignations and Bradley’s email

Ron Nielsen: Just because this incident “wasn’t related” to the witch hunt, it doesn’t mean there is no witch hunt. Nice attempt at cover!

You people and your “witch hunt” mentality constantly amaze me. It is not a witch hunt to expose error and look for correction. This institution is our institution. We have a right to demand that the faculty, administration, and board members keep the church standards. Cover-ups and accusations of “non-Christian” behaviour by those of us who are trying our best to stand for the truth just doesn’t cut it. This is outrageous behaviour and if you are not shocked by it, then why aren’t you? There could be a million students and other supporters posting their sympathies for these people, but it doesn’t change the standards we, as SDAs, are expected to live up to. Of course everyone makes mistakes. But I think this behaviour is more indicative of moral declension.

I have often heard about the California Adventists and their loose standards. I had come to the conclusion they are next door to Sodom and Gommorah, and this certainly does nothing to change my opinion.

Not only am I appalled at the goings on, but I am disgusted by the supporters of the sin and sinner. There is no such thing as a little sin. Sin is sin and it will hold people out of heaven. To think that these gentlemen have had the advantage of knowing the truth and chose to disregard it makes me shake my head in disbelief. To think that their supporters think they can make sin acceptable by trying to drum up sympathy for it makes me nauseous. We are to worship God, not man–even though the “progressives” have the attitude that man is more important than God, it doesn’t make it true.

I think the last line of Bradley’s email spoke volumes regarding his spiritual situation. He hoped that LSU would be made the most progressive SDA institution in the world. That would be tragic indeed should it come to pass. What is meant by “progressive” is, apparently, to give up the traditional SDA beliefs and become worldly. Hardly a valuable goal for any SDA institution. This indicates to me that Mr. Bradley has chosen to elevate worldly standards above God and His standards. How can you claim to follow God and follow the world’s standards? It’s like trying to mix oil and water. And the Lord will not accept this standard for His people. He showed us a better way; He called us out of the world. But like a dog returning to his vomit, some people value the world more than God. I really can’t understand it.

I am beginning to wonder if there are many true SDAs left in California, or for that matter in the world. Maybe 144,000 will be a literal number of translated individuals if this keeps up. (Sad to say.)

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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.