Personally, I have heard many a call on this site …

Comment on LA SIERRA: Four resign after recording emerges by Faith.

Personally, I have heard many a call on this site for the firing of those TEs in or connected with LSU. Perhaps the most loud and adamant of the bunch coming from me. I don’t recall Shane or Sean ever asking for them to be fired. I know they have often stated that these people should not be teaching TE on the church’s dime. That doesn’t mean to say they are asking for firing, however.

It never ceases to amaze me how the “progressives” as they like to be called, go after Shane and Sean whenever something goes wrong for them.

This whole situation, in my humble opinion, was allowed to happen by God Himself to rid LSU of some strong influence to the bad. The administration did nothing, the conference did nothing, and the GC did next to nothing. If I heard the recording correctly, they were bending so far over backward not to hurt anyone’s feelings that they were pretty much impotent in fixing the situation. There comes a time for plain speaking, and if this isn’t it, I fail to see what would have to happen to be it. I think there are a lot of SDAs out here who are pretty fed up with all this wishy-washy political correctness. We have often called for action.

There is a time for cleansing. Now would be the acceptable time. Let’s just quit putting all this on Educate Truth. They are merely the messengers, not the problem.

The problem lies at the door of the TEs who are teaching heresy in LSU. People like Adventist Kid and others who have no problem attacking Chist’s church and His true followers, always wind up snivelling about how the TEs are being treated badly. It is a fact of life, AK, that if people cause trouble, they can only expect some kind of strife. The TEs are setting themselves up against the church, yes, but ultimately, they are setting themselves up against God. Do you think God will tolerate this forever? Personally, I would be afraid–very afraid–to oppose God in anything. (Think the Flood, Sodom and Gommorah, etc.) These people are supposed to be so educated and smart–can’t they see this?

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LA SIERRA: Four resign after recording emerges
Steve: these practices you are talking about are nothing more than the ancient mysticism God forbade us to use. It is the deception that Satan is using to deceive, if possible, the very elect. No wonder the religion departments are so ready to back up the biology departments when they are both so deep into apostacy and heresy. I know that the Adventist ministers have been going to study all this rot at the Robert Schuller college that uses the Willow Creek church’s evangelism methods. We are, in essence, sending our ministers to the Witch of Endor to learn the worldly techniques used by the harlot’s (Rome’s) daughters (Protestants). I tremble to think where all this is leading…no wonder the shaking is almost upon us.

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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.