Comment on Jay Gallimore comments on evolution conflict by Ron Stone M.D.
I’m glad President Gallimore has the backbone to use the words “mocked and abused” to plainly state how President Wilson’s words have been and are being criticized by the “self-styled progressive elements in our Church” including AT, Spectrum, LSU, and the SECC.
Ron Stone M.D Also Commented
Mr. Stone,I donâ€™t understand your usage of the terms â€œliberalâ€ and â€œfundamentalistâ€.Believe me, if you followed everything the Bible says-you would be out stoning the homosexuals, killing the witches, etcâ€¦Everyone pick and chooses passages from the Bible.You canâ€™t be 100% objective about it, because the moment you read it you already are interperting it in your own unique way. (Quote)
Ricky, As many before me have explained, IF we lived in a theocracy, with God as leader, this is just what God has said He would require. However, we don’t live in such a world. I do not decide what punishments are appropriate for transgressions against mans’ laws or God’s law. Neither do any churches or church members, except as we participate in any democratic voting procedures.
So, believing the bible and stoning people for various “crimes” are separate issues. We DO stone (kill) some people for some violent crimes in some states, however. Based on what? Man’s interpretation of the crime’s appropriate punishment. In some cases, a small fine, sometimes imprisonment, and some cases someone or group has decided death.
So, Ricky, when God our leader, HE decides what punishment is required according to His law. When Jesus returns (or do you believe in this?) and God’s Law is once again supreme, that’s what will happen again. Plainly spelled out in the bible.
So, Ricky, I don’t “believe” you at all!
Jay Gallimore comments on evolution conflict
@Lee Folkman, Your post is great, but Ricky does not believe the bible is necessarily inspired, which, in liberal language means “not inspired” or he will himself decide and choose which parts he wants to believe are inspired.
So, using quotes from the bible are of little to no help for him. Right, Ricky?
The overall question here is rather simple in my view. One either accepts that the omnipotent Creator is capable of both creating by His voice, through His Spirit in seven days as the Bible states, AND is also capable of preserving the true plain facts about His creation act within His Word recorded accurately so that none may be uninformed as to our origin, OR one does not completely believe God to have sufficient ability create as He says He did or perhaps to preserve His own Word accurately.
Subsequently with the latter every fallible reasoning and so called science of mankind must be applied to the Bible for â€˜answersâ€™.
To me the true answer is rather easy. When faced with the questions, science, reasoning, or thoughts conceived in the minds of sinful mortal men it would be wise to side with the plainly written facts from the perfect mind of God.
You’re correct. However, as you can see from all the fluff from Ricky Kim, Prof Kent, and others, the real issue is being smoke-screened to death by those who want to provide us with another explanation, of something else, from some secular humanistic viewpoint, about everything except the real issue we are dealing with at LSU.
Recent Comments by Ron Stone M.D
The reason the LaSierra situation has gone uncorrected so long is that most of our administrators have exactly the sort of political instincts that Dan Jackson has. They are politicians and consensus builders; they want to keep the peace and make the trains run on time. But the circumstances call for men of principle, hard men who are willing to stand for the right â€œthough the heavens fall,â€ i.e., regardless who is offended and loudly complains.
Dave, I agree with you. Jackson’s trying to play on “both teams” is not going to go well for him.
Unfortunately, politics is the “SOP” of many of our SDA officials, Jackson being just one. “Political instincts” are the rule, instead of actually doing what is “right” according to what we know in God’s Word.
Shane Hilde: Think big fish: LSU or the Seventh-day Adventist Church.Graham might not have followed procedure with these men, but I donâ€™t know what the procedure is. Iâ€™ve read what the process is in the faculty handbook, but I donâ€™t know if that applies to administrative positions which are at will employees. If it does apply to them, then it appears the process was not followed.
Trustees book says, in 6,9,F, that the Trustes may “discontinue” virtually anyone working at the university.
Does that mean to “fire” or to “force their resignation? Seems like it does.
GMF: If what has been reported about Jackson is correct it is very troubling. Also, one can only wonder why he was selected as the NAD President.Iâ€™ve seen a thing or two which made me wonder about Jackson but this report, if true, has to be the worst. May the Good Lord help us!
Jackson was selected to replace Don Schneider, who was also very “passive” in his approach to this problem.
Besides telling Wisbey to “love Jesus” Jackson did virtually nothing.
My Goal for La Sierra University
Sean, Great summary and analysis of the current situation. Another good review of this matter is in the Jan-March 2011 Elders Journal. It also goes into the 2004 evaluation and recommendations, as you have quoted.
Bradley, Beach and Kaatz retain attorney
How about a “class action” suit against anyone and everyone who has heard the tape or has heard OF the tape?