Comment on Honest thieves by Bobbie Vedvick.
Sean
Why are the LSU representatives deliberately lying to us? Do we not have the right to know the truth as to what is really being taught to our young people? Why all this deception? Why not at least be open and honest with people what what you really stand for? – about what each one of your professors really believes and promotes? I just don’t get it. I don’t understand all this deliberate deception and I don’t understand why some people are getting angry with those who are striving to produce real openness, honesty, and transparency on this issue…
It’s like the Pharisees. They prefer a lie…for what ever reason. What I read from your strongest opponents on Educate Truth is not a search for truth, but rather, again like the Pharisees, a never-ending quest to “trap’ you or misconstrue everything you say. If Jesus had spoken as plainly as He did BUT given the Scribes and Pharisees free license to continue in their erroneous teachings they would have joined His followers in proclaiming Him the Messiah. But they couldn’t corner Him and He continued to point the people to the truth and clear meaning of the Scriptures and it drove them to madness…so much so they ended up murdering Him in order to silence His voice.
The points you’ve made have been extremely clear and intelligent but the opposers motor right over it and keep going around on the same track. One even admitted on a post to “not bothering to read your ‘drivel'”. Now there’s a teachable spirit. And this AFTER a tirade accusing “Educate Truthers” as using heartless, unChristlike comments—-then, of course, followed by (her) heartless and unChristlike comments. They don’t see because they don’t want to see.
I truly appreciate your God-given insight……thank you. There’s a remarkable difference to the casual observer between the tone coming through in your comments and those of your opponents. I doubt they can even discern it.
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Ted Wilson: “We will not flinch. We will not be deterred.”
Lydian,
May seem “out there” but the symptoms you described sound like gout. Even though it most often settles in the toe it can settle in any joint. “Feverish”, “excrutiating pain”. Antibiotics in parts of Europe are against the law without lab proof of their necessity due to the rise of super-bugs. America needs to be in that camp.
If this forum is for Adventists, then why isn’t Spirit of Prophecy used? God gave us this gift for the same reason He has always given the world a prophet, to make a clear path to undeniable truth. Though the truth of “days” in creation and “days” in Daniel is abundantly clear to the seekers of truth, for those who desire to see otherwise, the Spirit of Prophecy puts the question to final rest—-as God intended. The choice is to ignore God’s prophet—-as was done in Bible times— or silence the voice by casting doubt or through mocking (and that’s the kindest approach as in Bible times they murdered them).
Is this forum set up exclusively for the evolution theory? The subject has been explored to the point of bickering now. People for the most part know enough to make a decision. Satan has other dangerous issues that will cause the ruin of people and divide the church; other dangerous. I’d like to see some of those explored as well. In fact numerous issues to confuse “even the elect if possible” are and WILL abound. Why not meet these issues openly as well?
Ted Wilson: “We will not flinch. We will not be deterred.”
Lydian Belknap,
What beautiful stories to read as the sun sets, starting another Sabbath. Sometimes, as with the depressing news today, I need to just step out of all the contention and arguing and join the peaceful company of my God and Creator. As much as I benefit from the intelligent responses to the creation question and 100% support of the Bible AND Spirit of Prophecy, the constant rejection of the plain written word is wearing and takes me away from God. Thankfully He has wisely provided a rest to draw us back to Him—-far, far away from man’s presumptious religion and the complicated twists and turns of science!
Ted Wilson: “We will not flinch. We will not be deterred.”
Our daughter also spent 4 years at LLU (late ’90’s and early 2000’s)and while she wasn’t taught evolution, there were certainly other problems. More than half of her class were non-Adventists and, like the “mixed company” coming out of Egypt, these were always striving against and balking at the “restrictions” they agreed to upon acceptance. There were administrators and maybe even professors (it’s hard to remember those details now) who were non-Adventists as well. At the time I asked HOW we could EVER operate under the guidelines of EGW with this set-up. Not only did these non-SDA’s drink and party ’til the cows came home, but other weaker SDA’s were lured into the action as well. One “memorable” night there was a party in the community where noise and drunkeness was out of hand. The neighbors complained so a few of the students urinated on their lawn in their viewing. Police were called and the media jumped on it. The laws of the school (at that time) demanded expelling or withholding their diplomas (all students were aware of this and consistently thumbed their noses at it). A battle ensued and the solid SDA’s were out-voted by the non-SDA’s and their sympathizers and all those students graduated with nothing but a word of “caution”. The neighbors, also non-SDA’s, only knew these were medical students from LLU. Nice representation. Nice. We sacrifice a LOT by forming contracts with the world. Remember David doing business with the heathen? God was pointed in His disapproval. There were at this time promising and dedicated SDA students with high GPA’s trying to get into LLU but were passed up for students in public colleges. Fox University was ” favorite” to draw from. The question was put to Samson, “Are there not women of God’s people to choose from…..?” The same question could be posed to our institutions. Whether it be evolution, abhorant behavior or bad influence and sewing seeds of doubt, we’re selling the souls of our students and making contracts with the devil.
Ted Wilson: “We will not flinch. We will not be deterred.”
Many thanks to George Hilton and Jim Mcdonald for your comments. George, your in depth response was put very well from a truly educated background, and Jim, after reading your comments I thought about it and you’re absolutely right. Thanks again….my daughter’s remarks have “lingered” in my mind for years.
Ted Wilson: “We will not flinch. We will not be deterred.”
When our daughter attended PUC in the late 1990’s, she told us her science teacher at the time said there was way more “evidence” for evolution than for creation and the only way to believe creation is purely faith in the Bible. Any creationists with a science background want to comment on that? My faith in creation over a literal 6 days is unshakeable but I’d be interested in some scientific responses.
