Comment on GC Votes to Revise SDA Fundamental #6 on Creation by Robert S..
There’s a reason no one has spent much time on your argument. Can’t you see it? Nobody can quite believe that you yourself believe in your latest case. There’s more important things to discuss. I can’t count the many laughs I’ve had over this – but they’re sad chuckles. I find it hard to believe that you have convinced yourself that this is a valid reasoning process 🙁
Are you suggesting Ellen White was lying when she declared gluttons to be non-Christians?
No my sister, Ellen White was not lying… *sigh*
Are you saying, as Sean Pitman did, that Ellen White is wrong because gluttons really are Christians after all who are merely struggling with a personal issue?
Sean Pitman never said that Ellen White was wrong… Please try not to put words in other peoples mouths. =)
Are you saying that we should not take Ellen Whiteâ€™s inspired words at face value?
Here is where you are, may I say, so profoundly confused. I can hardly accept the fact that you really believe this.
Let’s look at it logically.
1. What did Ellen White say? What is Ellen White’s *definition* of gluttony? *”…who would not be restrained on the point of appetite, but would gorge himself with anything his taste might crave.”* That’s the definition.
2. Is being fat a sign of gluttony?! *Where did you get that from?* P-l-e-a-s-e tell me where Ellen White said that being fat is a sign of gluttony. Please try to use logic here. I say it gently: don’t get so upset that it messes with your thinking process, sister. *Being Fat is NEVER a sign of gluttony!!!!!!!!!* And… =) I’m not an old fat man saying this. Just in case you forgot, I’m 20 years old, exactly 10 percent body fat, 30 inch waist, cholesterol 117, and have run a multiplicity of marathons, half-marathons, and even an ultra-marathon. How about you? 😉
Ellen White was fat. Willie White was fat. Read Deuteronomy 31:20. The implication is that God’s blessings will cause fatness, with a warning about consequent departure from God. Read Psalm 92:14, Proverbs 11:25 and on and on. Think: does anyone really need to spend time on this? I simply don’t want to be fat because it doesn’t look very nice or feel very nice.
OK. So here’s the Bottom Line. Not that you really needed someone to explain it to you… 😉
1) I CAN NOT TELL if my fellow adult is a glutton. There is no way for me to be able to tell if my brother is eating more than he should!!!!! That is a personal matter between the individual adult and God – God alone can impress the individual with the amount of food he should eat!!!
2) Ellen White says the ONLY exception is between the parent and kid: the parents have a responsibility to train their kids not to be gluttons, carefully watching their eating habits. Now Look. Watch this.
3) If, however, a guy comes along, finds a happy haven at LSU, and sets up a class called, ‘Gluttony 101: how to succeed at being a glutton’ … … … WOAH! We’re dealing with a whole nother ball of wax!!!
4) What should be done with that guy?? *HE IS TEACHING CONTRARY TO INSPIRATION: he is to be punished immediately.
OK, Ellen White says “Evolution” is the worst form of infidelity.
1) Is there any way I can tell if my brother believes in Evolution?
2) If he doesn’t want to talk, NO!!! That is between Him and God! Now…
3) What if my brother goes to LSU and sets up his Biology 101 class that promotes evolution? Woah!!! HE IS TEACHING CONTRARY TO INSPIRATION! He needs to be punished ASAP!
Now come come. Do I really need to write all this? Do you really believe what you are saying? I HAVE NOT YET SEEN A ‘GLUTTONY 101’ CLASS AT ANY OF OUR UNIVERSITIES OR SCHOOLS. Therefore, NO ONE is making an issue of that.
There ARE, however, “Evolution 101” classes going on all around. Educate Truth is, very successfully, making an issue of, and changing that.
Just remember: there is no way to tell if someone is a glutton. Being fat does NOT equal gluttony, according to Inspiration. I hope we don’t see any classes on how to be a glutton popping up anytime soon at our schools. We need to take care of the Evolution teachers that are there, though.
Hey, just one more bit of brotherly advice. If you want to grow your logic abilities, learning disciplines like Calculus well help a lot. Trust me, it’s very mind-expanding — I’ve experienced that first hand.
I’m back to my Physics. If you have any more questions feel free to ask. Take Care. God Bless.
Robert S. Also Commented
Wow, youâ€™ve got millions of other Christians figured out, too. One must either accept Ellen White as canonical or you are not a Christian and in fact are delusional.
Actually, I was rephrasing Ellen White’s words found in 5T, page 364, paragraph 1. Read it for yourself.
“…he has not accepted the truth for this time [present truth]; he is an unbeliever…”
Anyone claiming to be Christian, who has not yet accepted *present* truth, truth for *this time,* is an unbeliever.
It’s interesting that you didn’t give me any solid logic to meet my logic. I gave you a cemented Oxford definition. I gave you a biblical thought on ‘Sola Scriptura.’ I gave you an Inspired quote on evolutionary thoughts replacing pure faith. 
YOU are the one who is incorrect (Iâ€™m mimicing your language). You yourself admit that a LOT of microevolution happens and that thousands upon thousands of animal species have evolved since the flood. When you spoke of Darwinâ€™s descent in faith, it was a gradual process. His thinking about change gradually led him to reject a literal creation. You yourself read all sorts of papers about evolution and in that sense you yourself have opened the door to â€œevolutionary thinkingâ€. It was natural for me to assume your use of â€œevolutionary thinkingâ€ was the start of the process, not the end. But you used this opportunity to lecture me and tell me that I was incorrect. Iâ€™m amazed by the number of posts of yours that use the phrases â€œyou are incorrectâ€, â€œyou are mistaken,â€ â€œyou are wrongâ€ and the like.
Ummm … *cough* … uhhh … *blink* … I’m sorry sis, but I haven’t done a thing that you’ve accused me of. I have written not a word upon microevolution, darwin, reading evolution papers, etc. I think you got majorly confused: I’m your young fellow college student, not the venerable Doctor.
If you are suggesting that â€œevolutionary thinkingâ€ will cause all to lose their faith as Darwin did, your logic is totally flawed and you know exactly why.
You are incorrect. Anyone who harbors ‘evolutionary thoughts’ will not simply ‘lose their faith’ — they Already Have lost their faith — whether they know it or not. I’m not just speculating here: this is what God has told us. Read the following Inspired statement:
“The assumption that the events of the first week required thousands upon thousands of yearsâ€¦is infidelity in its most insidious and hence most dangerous formâ€¦ It is one of Satan’s devices to lead the people to accept the fables of infidelity.” CE 190
God has told us that this theory is a fable of infidelity. Anyone who believes it has surrendered his pure faith for the worst and most insidious fables of infidelity. God has said it; I believe it.
In your response, please leave Ellen White out of this unless you believe firmly she is canonical
Your Adventist infidelity is shocking. My Oxford dictionary defines the word ‘canonical’ as “sacred books officially accepted as genuine.” Of course, absolutely, Ellen White is canonical! Her books are both sacred and genuine — They are inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the Bible. If a person does not believe this, he has deceived himself into thinking He is a Christian while in fact he is simply deluded.
please leave Ellen White out of this unless you believe firmly…that â€œsola scripturaâ€ is a fallacy Adventists should avoid.
If someone honestly believes “sola scriptura” he must, of necessity, believe in the Spirit of Prophecy; the Bible tells him he must: Revelation 12:17, Revelation 19:10. The only people who have lost their faith in the Spirit of Prophecy are those who have lost their faith in Sola Scriptura.
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most Adventist creationists have no problem with the planet being older than 6,000-8,0000 years old. Itâ€™s the creation of life as described in Genesis as being 7 days that occurred 6,000-8,000 years. Whether this rock called Earth existed prior to the terra-forming is a moot point.
I agree Ethan.
An _excellent,_ albeit lengthy, argument in support of this position is given by the celebrated Adventist astronomer, Jim Burr. See http://www.heavensdeclare.org/starlight.htm
I wanted to profoundly commend you for the utmost courtesy you habitually demonstrate. You are dedicated to inquiry and intellectualism, happy to discuss and debate, yet always show a calm deference and even likable ‘niceness.’
We hold critically different philosophical views, yet I thank you for teaching me so much. I wish more would take notice. A similar thanks to men like Victor Marshall.
“If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.” “Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling.” 1 Jn 4:20, 1 Jn 2:10
“Don’t go backwards to interpret Genesis as allegorical or symbolic”
Wow, I just listened to the sermon (thanks for the 3AngelsTube link); it brought tears to my eyes! We have a real, fundamental, biblically literalistic and conservative President: praise God! I expect to see great things happen in our church. I’m already inspired to do more, much more for God.
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Dr. Mills comment was very appropriate. ^^
Geanna, you seem to be attempting to exhort and preach greater faithfulness to God and righteousness in action.
OK, perhaps some speak too strongly at times on this forum. But, doesn’t it seem that you are trying to take the spec out of your brothers eye when you have a beam in yours?
Here is why I say that. Perhaps there are some here that are critical. But how does God view *you* ???
While some here might be too critical at times (possibly), God says that *you* are subscribing to and encouraging “the worst kind of infidelity.” See The Spirit of Prophecy Folume One, page 86.
While you believe and encourage others to believe “the worst kind of infidelity,” can you expect to be saved??
God has spoken. Woudln’t you do well to tremble?? You are making light of *the worst kind of infidelity.*
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Bob, it’s clear to all open-minded readers that your reasoning is solid, rational, scientific — the posts of Geanna and Lorelei are an unfortunate . Thank you for consistently, patiently helping them to see their errors.