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To be sincerely wrong is to be wrong still.

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Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?
I have often wondered how the professors, who are supposed to be so intelligent, can go so far astray. The thought struck me this morning that perhaps it is because higher education considers it a virtue to learn to doubt everything. I have no problem with “prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” But there is a huge difference between studying to confirm your beliefs and learning to doubt what you have been taught in the past.

I think the professors have learned to doubt so long that they have lost the foundation for their beliefs. And, in turn, they encourage their students to doubt–so now we have a multiplicity of doubting Thomases in our church. Stop for a moment and think about that–did Jesus commend Thomas for his doubting? No, He said blessed are those who believe without seeing. So why are these tactics allowed to go on in our schools? The teachers and professors should be there to affirm our beliefs, not strip them away. I believe that this can account in a large part for the loss of so many young people who go through our institutions and then leave the church. Their faith, instead of being affirmed, is being destroyed.

Add to this that some bright light in the general conference decided that numbers of converts were more important than thoroughly grounded converts,and we now have a large population in the church who constantly look to the world for better ideas instead of looking to the Scriptures and SOP, the guidelines God gave us as a most precious gift.

Years and years ago, when I started studying the Collegiate quarterlies I was shocked to see quotations from outside religious leaders, such as Anglican bishops, rather than SOP. I could see what was coming even back then, and I wrote to the GC and protested, but to no avail.

When the children’s divisions began an new program a few years back I saw the worldliness in it and protested yet again–but again to no avail. Time and time again I have heard people say that we need to open the door and let in fresh ideas. Yet what have we really let in? I contend that we have let the devil into our church to bring in the worldliness that we were so long successful in keeping out. It has come in like a flood and we now see the results. Our institutions are corrupt, our quarterlies often contain heresy, our leaders have, in the past, been working behind the scenes to embroil the church in chaos. A good example of this is the spiritual formation that our leaders became involved with and actually sent OUR SDA ministers to Rober Schuller to train. The fact that they went out of the church for training should have been a huge danger signal to anyone with even a little understanding of the SDA beliefs. The Lord said, Come out of her my people and BE YE SEPARATE. The SOP says not to go to them to learn because they have nothing for us. Yet our church seems to be bent on returning to the apostate church of the world.

I contend that, in part, this happened because in some cases ministers from other churches were brought straight into our church as full-fledged SDA ministers without enough grounding. The foundation that used to be built so carefully before allowing baptism has been neglected because numbers of baptisms became more important than preparation for baptism. I could site many cases where people have been baptised while smoking, drinking, and/or living common law. I really don’t believe that heaven approves these baptisms. It serves to bring error into the church rather than bring salvation to souls.

I know that some people are going to come back with, “You shouldn’t criticize the church.” That is a favorite cry of the liberals. But I also know that SOP says that when there is error, if we know about it and don’t raise our voices against it, we are participants in it. There have been and continue to be far too few voices raised against the worldliness that has, and continues to be, brought into our church.

I am thankful for this site as it is functioning as a watchman on the walls. I believe God ordains that Educate Truth raises the alarm concerning LSU and other institutions and what is being taught there. I only wish this had been nipped in the bud years and years ago. There will be many in positions of trust who will be held accountable for this fiasco. I only hope that the leadership of today will learn a lesson from the past and continue to stand for the truth though the heavens fall.

I appeal to all to pray, pray for our beloved church. The shaking is upon us and our church will be purified of this worldliness, but, sadly, many will be shaken out and eternally lost. As we approach the Sabbath tonight, I hope you will unite with me in raising many prayers for the purification of our church and our own souls. God help us and bless us all.


Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?

Brian&#032Holland: Unfortunately, “Unbelieving Members” of the Adventist church (I don’t like the labels of “Liberal” or “Progressive”. In many ways I am both Liberal and Progressive) see the church as a democracy. Hence, all you need to do in the democratic process is to get the numbers on your side and you can thus legitimately change church policy and doctrines

So, Brian do you see Heaven as a democracy? Seems to me that follows the lines of Satan’s reasoning way back before the Creation of the Earth. He seemed to think that the Law should be changed to reflect the angels’ beliefs. Sorry to be the one to point this out to you, but the Law is the relection of the character of God. It is changeless. It has nothing to do with the general population of the universe and is not based on popular vote. If you will notice, the Hebrew nation was ruled by a Theocracy before the Kings came along. It was never God’s plan to have any other type of government for His people. And Heaven is and always will be a Theocracy.

To me it is the height of arrogance to think that we can change the doctrines of God’s church that was established on the truth of God–by His clear direction. It doesn’t matter how many people come into our church and decide they don’t want to follow the doctrines of the church, they don’t have the right to change anything God has established. They are not forced to believe anything against their conscience, they are free to leave and seek some other church that holds the same beliefs they do, but they don’t have the right to change anything in the SDA church. The church is not a political democracy. God is the supreme ruler of both His church and His Heaven. Period.


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Pauluc: “I do not judge my beliefs by anything other than the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. I judge my science by the conventions that has been the source of the knowledge of the world that we now possess and enjoy. I do not at all confuse the two.”

Seeing as science was created by God, just how do you presume to separate the two? Science, like every other part of our lives, should include God. You can’t profess to believe in a God that Created the earth when looking at religion and deny the Creator when looking at science. That would be “science-so-called”. True science reflects the Creator.

You can’t have it both ways–either you believe in the Bible and God as Creator in your science or you don’t believe the Bible and God as Creator in your religion. God does not accept the divided heart.


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Mack&#032Ramsy: You must either acknowledge a massive global conspiracy, or that there is some truth in what is being taught.

There is a massive global conspiracy, Mack. It is called Satan going around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. All your supposed knowledge, if it contradicts in any way, shape, or form, what God stated in the Bible is WRONG. Anyone who is deceived thereby is not wise.

Mack&#032Ramsy: We’re trying to incorporate what the bible teaches in a constructive meaningful way.

Not so–you are doing violence to the Scriptures to try to make it fit man-made theories. You have chosen, unwisely, to reject God’s word in favour of man’s theories. That’s the truth of it.

Mack&#032Ramsy: Oh i know this is kind of a personal question but how many gay people have you killed this week? No? any pagans then? Hmm. Might want to get on that. Just a friendly suggestion in helping you be personally accountable for biblical teachings from friend in Jesus.

Hardly a friendly suggestion, Mack, more like a nasty accusation. I wonder how surprised you are going to be to see the wicked punished? God doesn’t like to do the dirty work, but it will have to be done. In the meantime, pointing out sin isn’t the same as killing someone, is it???


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Bill&#032Sorensen: We have a good spiritual time, and many tell me when they are getting out, they will keep the bible Sabbath

God Bless you and your ministry, Bill.


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There has been much discussion on the church and whether or not it will, as an organization, go through to the end. In reading the various posts I have come to the conclusion that we seem to be using different definitions of ‘the end’ and thus are not in agreement on this topic. I would like to clarify, if I may, what I believe concerning the church and the end of time.

I do agree with many of you that there will be a time when the church will not be operating as a physical organization. That will be the time when we are scattered in various hiding places over the earth, or in prison, as the Lord sees fit–and this will happen after the close of probation with the entrance and enforcement of the International Sunday Laws. However, I don’t think that this negates the church being alive to the end. No, we won’t be meeting in churches, or paying our tithes and offerings to the organization just before God comes. But the church–the people and her doctrines–will survive to the end.

In the book Messenger of the Lord by Herbert E Douglass, he points to a statement that E G White made in 1908, “I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.”18

The book goes on to say:

“Revelation 3 depicts no last-day church beyond Laodicea, thus giving hope that some day many of them will repent, overcome, and fulfill God’s plan for the last-day church (Rev. 3:18-21). No other subject for any church-related agenda, either for individuals or institutions, can be more urgent or important to implement.”

My beliefs agree with these statements. We have been given no other counsel to leave the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Since Ellen White was a prophet for the last days–to the very end of time, I think she would have made it crystal clear–abundantly clear–that we would have to leave this church if, indeed, we would. I remember a statement saying to the effect “Stay with the church for she will come into port.” So, I will not be looking for another church.

I do know it is possible for the church to become Babylon. The possiblity exists as long as there is sin on this earth. However, I think that if this is going to happen to the SDA church, it would have been prophesied for us, so that we would be prepared to leave the church. I also realize that new light may yet come to us…but I sincerely doubt that, in the light of the shaking (which is a reformation), we need to worry about this. I fully believe the church will be cleansed to allow the work to be finished. From what Sister Ellen says, those who come into the church will fill the places of the ones who are shaken out. This will happen before probation ends, or else there would be no way anyone could change.

Hopefully this makes my stance more clear on this subject. Sorry if I have misled anyone with my earlier posts.


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And round and round we go.

Professor Kent and Pauluc et al continue to try to force us all to admit to blind faith as the reason for our belief in Creation, and Sean, bless him, conintues to offer proofs for Creation because he knows that there are evidences of the Creator in Creation and we don’t have to take it all on “blind” faith. So…what is behind all this constant strife?

Here’s how I see it.

The professors and other like-minded individuals want us to claim blind faith because then they think they can put Creation into a little box called “Religion” and separate it from the box called “Science” (that’s their opinion, not mine.) This is a vain quest, because it can’t be done. You cannot separate the Creator from His science. You cannot, with any integrity, separate your religion from any part of your life. The only possible reason to try to do this is so you can put forth “proofs” propounded by mere men that don’t mesh with the Bible. This is being double minded…trying to serve God and man…which, of course is, in reality, not serving God at all, because you are basically calling Him a liar.

Don’t you realize that Satan is a masterful deceiver? Don’t you think he can manipulate the evidence to make you draw false conclusions from it? Don’t you realize that there is a perfectly good explanation for it all if it is seen in the correct light?

You see, this is where I feel that some SDA scientists lose their credibility. They have been faced with arguments that may, on the surface, prove evolution. So they begin to question God instead of questioning the evolutionists. Just the fact that if you look at the whole picture you can see that the world is getting worse and worse instead of better and better blows the whole theory of evolution right out of the water.

And why do our SDA scientists go to the world for their wisdom when we have the Bible and SOP to guide us? They are looking for worldly acceptance and acclaim, that’s why. They don’t want to be seen as the “lunatic fringe” who believe in God. They can’t tolerate the jeering of the worldly “scientists.” They perceive that as undermining their credibility and dignity as professional scientists. Well in actual fact, they lose their credibility as both Christians and scientists when they try to marry truth with error.

This is why Professor Kent’s claim to believe in Creation as stated in the Bible is not taken seriously. How can it be when he tries to claim there are no evidences to support Creation? That is simply not true. Sean can, and has, presented many evidences to support Creation. And there are many others out there like Sean that understand the significance of these evidences.

Of course the typical response from the “scientists” is that those who claim there is evidence for Creation are “uneducated”, “ignorant” people who “don’t understand scientific principles.” Yet these are the very people who claim that evolution, an unscientific and unprovable theory, is the answer to human origins. This is unfathomably faulty logic. There is no valid reason why SDA scientists should be promoting evolution in any of its forms.

While I know that there are aspects of God and His Creation that are a mystery to us at this point, and that must be taken on faith, we are not called to base our beliefs on “blind” faith. We have every reason to believe that God speaks the truth to us in His word and that we can rely on His veracity 100% whether or not we have concrete proof that what He claims is true. We have seen, and are seeing daily, prophecies come true. It is absolutely amazing that He could give Nebuchadnezzar a dream that accurately shows the world’s kingdoms right to the end of time. And it has all come to pass as predicted. That in itself should inspire complete confidence in His Word.

So, what it all boils down to is this: Professor Kent and Pauluc, who claim to have faith in God’s Word actually undermine it and Sean, who claims to have no blind faith, actually upholds the faith. Kind of funny, isn’t it?

Happy Sabbath everyone.